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Theories regarding Mega Evolution in the Mystery Dungeon 'verse.In Pokemon X and Y, Mega Evolution is achieved through a strong bond between a Trainer holding a Keystone and a Pokemon with a Mega Stone. Naturally, in a world with no Trainers, things would have to be done a little differently.
- Since there are no Trainers, there are no Keystones; the Mega Stone is the only artifact required.
- Like in the core series, Mega Evolution can only happen in battle, and it can only occur here when the Pokemon is Mega Evolving for the sake of someone they care deeply for, literally invoking The Power of Friendship/Love.
- Or they simply have to be smart enough to use these things, considering IQ substitutes friendship in the evolutions.
- Alternatively, you're the human. It just worked through The Power of Friendship anyway.
- Confirmed for different mechanic, Jossed for the rest
Super will try to unite the previous PMD game into a single continuity
- Specifically, the Rescue Team and The Explorer. The map looked familiar.
- The Water Continent looks like the one from Gates to Infinity.
- Confirmed! Several characters make cameos, too.
In Super, it will be the partner that disappear in the endTo break the trend.
Possible starter pokemon for the fourth Mystery Dungeons and why
- All the starter Pokemon from the normal games: It's kind of obvious.
- Zorua: Ensemble Darkhorse.
- Timburr: Decent stats.
- Mienfoo: Female counterpart for Timburr.
- Woobat: Type diversity.
- Audino: Rule of Funny.
- Deino: Rule of Cool.
- Litwick: Type diversity.
- Confirmed for the starter Pokemon, while the rest seemly jossed by Super. Still possible as DLC (or for the future games).
Xerneas and Yveltal will both be important in the main game of the next Mystery Dungeon game.How so? Simple. Xerneas is known as the Life Pokemon. Yveltal is known as the Death/Destruction Pokemon. Obviously, Yveltal will plan to Kill 'em All and Xerneas will want to not allow that. Therefore, he will call the main character to the Pokemon World and they will help him fight Yveltal.
- With the plot 'Pokemon turned to stone' I think we can just wait to see if this confirmed.
In the next Mystery Dungeon game, a kindly mentor type character will turn out to be a villain.They may or may not turn out to be The Dragon or the Big Bad. It might be a potential Player Punch if the player and his/her partner has bonded with the mentor.
- Don't they already played it twice with Armaldo and Dusknoir?
- Confirmed as in Super.
The first two Mystery Dungeon games are in the same world; just in different lands, i.e. regions.I figured this out like this: In Sky, at the start of Special Episode 4, it says in the land on the eastern horizon.... In Special Episode 2, there is an Eastern Cave as a dungeon. Now, in PMD 1, there is a Western Cave. They could both be taking place at similar times, however PMD 1 is in the land on the western horizon, while PMD 2 is in the land on the eastern horizon. See?
- Confirmed with Super Mystery Dungeon. Also includes Gates.
Mystery Dungeon Red/Blue and Explorers Time/Darkness/Sky are intertwined looselyThis builds on a few of the other WMG's here, but I'll make this it's own. The events of the first and second games are loosely connected together. The Gardevoir you rescue in Red/Blue is the Gardevoir in Team Charm of Explorers, and along the way to this she also teamed up with Team Meanies' Medicham, who disbanded the team after Gengar had stopped working together with them. The Wigglytuff in Red/Blue is Explorers Wigglytuff's mother. Grovyle is the player after time had stopped, (This one is debatable as you'd need to be Treecko in Red/Blue) and bands up with the Player of Explorers before he turns into a Pokémon. The reason he does so is not only to reverse time, but to also rescue his Red/Blue partner after he was trapped in time. There's also the WMG about the Western/Eastern cave. Discuss the connections you find.
- Both ACT and Charm are mentioned in Super, so seemingly Confirmed.
In the generation V PMD games, there will be a Swoobat functioning as the Chick Magnet.Firstly, Swoobat is favored in the human world by cheerleaders and other such people. Plus, it uses hearts as it's motif, so why not? And on top of all this, we have Rule of Cool and Rule of Cute.
- Oh yeah and it learns attract by level up.
- Sadly, Gen V has ended.
In Super, sixth gen pokemon related-to-dream will be a villain
- At the very least, they will be important to the plot. Let's follow the pattern : There are Gengar, Drowzee and Darkrai, and then Munna.
- Alternatively, it would be random pokemon who appeared in dreams, like Gardevoir and Hydregion.
In Super, the protagonist will disappear at the end......because it was All Just a Dream
- Taken from other WMG: the protagonist is in coma and the entire game is their Dying Dream
- Alternatively, the protagonist itself is a dream, like Tidus.
- Human was simply summoned to solve the problems. Once they did, they will be sent back.
- There will be a plot to bring the main character back, similar to Gt I.
In Super, the problem is caused by human
- Rescue team had no villains. Explorers plot was caused by Darkrai, a Pokemon. Gt I was caused by Bittercold, which is not a Pokemon. There are no human villains before.
- To add the twist, the villain is actually You
- You are actually a human villain, but managed to be defeated. As a result, you get amnesia and turned into Pokemon. Plus, it makes a nice call back to the Rescue Team and Explorers. In rescue team you are wrongly accused as causing the disaster. Imagine if it turned out you are really the cause this time. It also draws a comparison with Darkrai, who turned good after amnesia.
- It also explained how the protagonist would disappear in the end. Maybe Redemption Equals Death?
- Jossed, sadly.
Red/Blue Rescue Team
The Pokemon that serve you were on your side all along.Before you head off as fugitives, you are able to buy things, store things and link moves ect. It seems a bit odd that the stall Pokemon are able to serve you, specially while asleep. They only pretend to be asleep to avoid detection and therefore be seen as a follower of the main character, as that would make them "the enemy".
You and many important characters in the Rescue Team games are sharing dreams.The partner and the citizens of that world are projections. This explains why you woke up in an entirely different place and have no memory of how you got there.
The voice at the end of Murky Cave is Mesprit.So let's recap. You go to the Murky Cave to help Gengar break the curse he unwillingly put on Gardevoir back as a human. The only way to break the curse is for Gengar admit to his error, and thus, feel remorse for what he has done. Consider that for most of the time, Gengar was rather a jerk. The act of putting away your ego and such, proves to Mesprit, the being of emotions, that Gengar has reedemable qualities.
There are two timelines in Red and Blue Rescue Team.Just think about it- the player leaves everything that they had as a human behind just so that they could rescue the Pokémon world. In order to continue on their human life without any suspicion, as a sudden disappearance like that would be quite noticeable, an alternate timeline was created where the protagonist was sent to the MD world. At the end of the main storyline, the timelines were to be reunited again, but because of the player's choice, this was prevented from occurring. Therefore, there are now two separate timelines; one where the player remains a human, and the other a Pokémon.
In Mystery Dungeon Blue and Red your human identity is NIt makes sense. N can understand what Pokémon are saying, he treats them as friends and refuses to own any, he wants to keep separate the Pokémon world and the human world - all of these are ideas he learned while living as a Pokémon. The several or so years spent in a Pokémon body with only them for company would also explain some of his awkwardness and distrust of people.
- This theory is down below. And this theory is Jossed if the main character is a girl.
- If N changed his entire goddamn SPECIES, I don't think changing from XX to XY or vice-versa is that big a stretch.
The Judge of Darkness in Murky Cave from Red/Blue was really Giratina or ArceusHow else would it be able to allow someone to enter another persons heart?
- Since when could Arceus OR Giratina do that? And even if they could, those two didn't even exist back when the game was made.
- That hasn't stopped anyone before.
- He's freaking GOD he can do anything he wants.
- I'm talking in-universe not out.
- Anyway, given the appearance of Munchlax in debug mode, it would be possible that GF had already thought up one of the two by 2005.
- Mesprit would be a better fit, what's with him being the representative of emotions.
Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky
Everything in Time/Darkness/Sky is Bidoof's FaultBidoof wished to Jirachi that he could have friends. That caused Darkrai to rise to power and spin his evil schemes to dethrone Dialga and Palkia, which caused the complex series of events leading to a human getting trapped in the body of a Pokémon and joining the guild, thereby granting his wish. Never, ever mess with probability!
- Assuming that Team Charm's special episode takes place a fair ways into the past (say, a decade or so; they're not yet famous, and Wigglytuff's still exploring solo), then no, Bidoof's wish can't be it, because Darkrai had already taken the Time Gears from the Temporal Tower by that point (quite the slow-acting plan, by all implications), and Bidoof's spent maybe a few months at the guild (at most) before the story starts.
- So Bidoof actually saved the world?
- You're forgetting that time travel is involved in this game.
- No, I'm not, but where are you going with this? The Time Gears were already established as not to be removed from the areas Darkrai hid them in by that episode, I don't think rumors like that spread through time travel, just good ol' word-of-mouth.
- For one thing, it is never explicitly stated that Darkrai stole the time gears from Temporal Tower. If removing the time gears from Temporal Tower was directly responsible for bringing down the tower, then Dialga must have been okay with them being gone during his gradual descent into insanity. (It is speculated by many that the gears are okay being hidden around the world, that placing them back into the tower is simply a fail-safe mechanism in case Dialga loses control for whatever reason, which was needed after Darkrai sabotaged the tower.) For another thing, Darkrai travels through time. Upon awaking he could have warped into the past to begin his scheme long ago, creating a Stable Time Loop.
- There is nothing hinting that the "return the time gears to the Tower" thing is a mere failsafe; certainly the way Grovyle kept talking about it implies that the Tower is the gears' original location.
- Considering the Time gears are implied to regulate the flow of time in the specific region they're in, it doesn't seem likely that Darkrai stole them to destabilize the tower. This is only helped along by the fact that removing one stops time in that area, which, if the "Stolen by Darkrai" theory were true, should not occur.
- I think the time gears regulate time (as time did go out of control in the area around where it was kept once it was removed) but the failsafe at Temporal Tower resets that. Or, perhaps Darkrai might try to destroy a time gear and they were hidden so the failsafe could be turned on.
Alternately, Bidoof's Wish helped save the world.Remember how Jirachi warned him that "it might take a while?" That's because the threads of fate first had to be cast out before he could work with them. In the original timeline, nobody came back to the past to fix things — therefore, your cowardly partner lost their Relic Fragment on the beach that day and never worked up the courage to join the Guild. When your hero and Grovyle made their trip back and the hero got thrown off course, Jirachi secretly stepped in, working his magic to help turn them into a Pokémon (rather than just plain die) and ensured they landed safely on the beach — putting them right in their future partner's path and ensuring they'd be able to help recover the Relic Fragment. That way, your amnesiac hero would gain the experience and strength needed to ultimately fight powerful Pokémon and save everything, and Bidoof got his buddies. Everybody wins!
Jirachi didn't actually grant Bidoof's wish at all.Think about it for a bit. Remember Jirachi saying that 'it might take a while'? He probably figured that new apprentices would arrive sooner or later and that Bidoof would be able to do things his own way once it happened. He made a few flashy lights and went back to sleep, fairly sure it would come true by itself eventually. Heck, he might have done this for a few wishes that didn't need any power and would most likely happen by fate.
Giving out Eggs as rewards is just how adoption works in the PMD world — or at least in Treasure Town.There aren't any orphanages or other such services available, unless you count Chansey's Daycare... and even then, she only cares for the eggs until they hatch. If you want to ensure that a hatchling you can't care for yourself is going to be well taken care of, your best bet is to seek out an exploration team or other responsible-looking individuals and hope they accept it.
Magnezone's police are severely understaffed.With the outbreak of bad Pokémon everywhere, most of the police's resources are being sunk into maintaining the prison system and ensuring offenders don't stage a riot or break out. As a result, Magnezone can't send out many officers to catch crooks — he's barely able to maintain a backup escort for himself! Thus, he worked out an agreement with Wigglytuff's Guild to post bounties. There's no shortage of exploration teams passing through, of all different types; they help ease the crushing workload by taking down criminals (especially ones Magnezone wouldn't be well-matched against), and let the police take care of the cleanup.
At least some of the recruits who join your team are circumventing the whole Guild system.Joining the Guild means signing away most of your profits and having to put up with Chatot all the time... is it any wonder Pokémon might be put off by more than Wigglytuff's reputation? By contrast, joining an apprentice's team may mean being barred from "official Guild expeditions" and the like, but you still get to go on most adventures, getting stronger and more experienced... Thus, certain Pokémon (particularly the ones who join in Treasure Town) may simply be exploiting a loophole, and intend to branch off into their own Teams at some point in the future.
- Well, going off the being barred from official guild expeditions point... I'm pretty sure Chatot actually referred to your recruits as not being guild members. So I'd say that this guess is actually pretty close to canon.
Wigglytuff's Guild helps fund the various businesses in Treasure Town.Only a few of the shops charge enough to earn an independent profit; the others are supported by Wigglytuff's goodwill. That's why the Guild takes so much of the reward money; they aren't just covering their own expenses, they're ensuring that Kangaskhan, Spinda, Marowak and the others can stay open.
- The Marowak Dojo's backstory folds nicely into this: the original owner had to close up shop because he couldn't afford it any longer. After the Wigglytuff Guild was formed and he started supporting the other shops, Marowak was able to ask for financial support and reestablish it.
Team Skull died from the injuries they sustained during the late game.In Time/Darkness, their last appearance is in Brine Cave, heavily wounded. Having them die there casts their seemingly lighthearted chat about how they helped fix a problem they caused in the first place in a very different light. They don't honestly think that one act makes up for a lifetime spent hurting others; it's just easier than reflecting on how their selfishness and greed led them to a violent end. They know they're dying; this is just their way of going out with a smile.
The Time/Darkness/Sky hero was revived.Grovyle somehow had one created from preserved DNA so he could partner with him/her and use the Dimensional Scream ability.
- Perhaps Mewtwo helped.
- Alternately, Ho-oh did it, gifting some random - or maybe not-so-random - set of bones life and additional abilities (ie the Dimensional Scream), like how he revived the Legendary Beasts.
In Time/Darkness/Sky, Dimensional Scream is an actual AbilityAn "Ability" is, of course, different from an ability. Much like how some Pokémon have Abilities like Static or Poison Point, some humans have the Ability Dimensional Scream. It is unique to the species, and perhaps fairly rare. This only leaves the question of what the other human Ability is.
- It's probably something along the lines of "Nonfluent: This Pokemon can't understand a word anyone else is saying."
- Which would suggest that the PC could converse with Grovyle even before being transformed.
- Well, there was that flashback/dimensional scream at the Groudon statue.
- Does this mean that N, who could understand Pokemon, has the Dimensional Scream ability?
- Which would suggest that the PC could converse with Grovyle even before being transformed.
- Perhaps it's a Hidden Ability.
Primal Dialga is not responsible for any of his actions.He's gone every bit as wild as the Pokemon you meet in the Mystery Dungeons by the time Temporal Tower collapses. He's relying more or less completely on instinct, and is only just rational enough to express his feelings and vague concepts via telepathy, primarily to Dusknoir, his "Trainer". Any appearances of a higher degree of rationality or planning is the result of Darkrai acting like a voice in his head.
- Why is this thing in the WMG page in the first place?! It's already established that Primal Dialga was under control from someone else, though I remember the culprit to be Darkrai, and Dusknoir the mercenary that Darkrai hired indirectly through Primal Dialga.
- I'm pretty sure the "relying completely on instinct" bit was also established in the game.
The Dimensional Scream functioned differently in the future due to just how horrible the world had become.Normally, the Dimensional Scream gives its bearer important information that can be used to avoid danger or keep situations from getting worse. For instance, had the hero heeded their first visions, they could have completely defused the situation before it unfolded; similarly, the visions at Waterfall Cave let them find their way through quickly (instead of dragging out a potentially dangerous search of the area) and could have helped avoid a major trap. However, in the Bad Future, everything is dangerous — there's no relatively "easy" way to avoid peril. Dangerous Pokemon are running wild, time itself has gone insane, the only order imposed on this world comes from evil minions... and all this was sparked off by Temporal Tower's degradation. Therefore, the "simplest" solution is far from simple: fixing the problem in the past. And for that, they need the Time Gears. Thus, every vision in the future is linked to the Time Gears, as that's what is needed to save the world. The Dimensional Scream doesn't offer information on any other options because it can't see any.
The Dimensional Scream can be controlled; however, the Hero never received any such training.After all, in the future, the only visions they received were linked to Time Gears. They weren't aware that this wasn't the only function the Dimensional Scream had; thus, even if they'd retained all their memories, receiving other visions in the past still would have shocked them. With proper training, they could control when they have such visions, and possibly even aim for specific information; however, without a knowledgeable source to receive such training from...
Grovyle is Yami YugiAfter Yami left Yugi's world forever at the end of the series, he became entangled in another dimension and was transformed into a strange creature. This explains why Grovyle's disposition and attitude is similar to Yami's. Seriously, just listen to his voice in the TV special.
- In addition, based on his near-loving obsession with the sea, Dugtrio is Mako Tsunami. Probably the abridged version. He even claims the sea can talk at one point (saying it wishes the hero and partner good luck).
- Maybe it's because he's voiced by DAN GREEN!!!
The main character from the second TV special is actually a girlSeriously, that's a dude? He (she?) sure sounds a lot like Beauty. I'm pretty sure the two are related...
- Well he never said that he was male so...
- No, it's a he. I'm pretty sure he's referred to as a 'young boy' right at the beginning of the episode.
- Why wouldn't you just assume he's a kid? Not only does Chatot call the main characters kids when they try to join, ALL the Pokemon anime heroes are kids! Of course he sounds like a girl!
- Well he never said that he was male so...
Time is tied to both Dialga's mental health and his physical health.Even with the planet paralyzed in the bad future, Pokemon can still move around, and enough presumably grows to keep at least some people fed. Time hasn't completely stopped, just in a lot of important ways. The reason why is that Dialga is crazy, but he's still alive; if he should die, time would stop completely and the world would truly end.
- Makes sense since time began flowing when Dialga was born and continues to flow when his heart beats. Therefore, time would probably end if he were to die.
No Time Travel was involved at all with the Explorers games.Maybe the games aren't set in the past. Maybe the games are actually set in an Alternate Universe. The player character did not fade away because of a change in the timeline. This was actually part of Darkrai's plan! He was trying to get the player out of the way so that his plan will not be ruined. After Dialga came back to his senses, he reversed this process and brought the player back. Darkrai would later try this again.
- Magnezone has assumed this was canon from the get-go. Imagine her confusion finding such a thing on WMG alongside wonders like Grovyle = Yami Yugi...
- Ironically, I was the one who wrote that Yami Yugi one...but I was just being funny. Anyway, to expand on and correct this theory, the player's disappearance could have actually been the result of a timeline change. However, the player character didn't cause this. Darkrai had been manipulating Primal Dialga into erasing the PC and Grovyle from the timeline.
- But that opens up the question of how the player disappeared, and why the characters all assumed time travel even when the presumed time travelers implicitly did plenty of research.
The Time Gears were originally hidden around the world long ago to avert another crisis.At some point in the distant past, time began warping itself in certain areas . This may have actually been Darkrai's first attempt at paralyzing the planet; they found a way to make time chaotic in small regions, moving them out of sync with other lands. Pokemon around the world began going wild, mystery dungeons started appearing, growing more numerous and unpredictable as time slid further and further out of control. In order to prevent time from completely collapsing, Dialga permitted the Time Gears being removed from Temporal Tower and strategically hidden in the regions hit the worst by time's decay. This stabilized time as a stop-gap measure, but it would take centuries for the lands to heal. Thus, Dialga left them where they were, figuring this arrangement would be fine for a few centuries or so — Temporal Tower wasn't in any danger, standing strong and proud. So long as all Pokemon knew that disaster would befall them if anything happened to the Time Gears, it'd work out just fine, right? Of course, this also gave the scheming villain plenty of time to work with these arrangements... Over the centuries, they gradually undermined Dialga's plan, ever-so-slowly chipping away at the stability of time and Temporal Tower. These changes were so subtle and minute that they were effectively Gaslighting Dialga; that, combined with the slow-but-steady decline of Temporal Tower, eventually left Dialga in a state of ever-growing madness. Thus, he was in no position to counter the enemy or stop the next phases of their plan... naturally leading to the events of Explorers.
The voice of the Luminous Spring is a Mew.Mew are the ancestors of all Pokemon, so it'd make sense that they'd be in charge of helping everyone evolve. Also, it would be awesome.
- Mew are supposedly the ancestors of all Pokemon. Arceus makes more sense anyway, or perhaps there's a legendary in charge of evolution we aren't aware of yet.
- In the debug menu, Jirachi is the pokemon that acts as the voice for Luminous Spring. What does that say?
- What? Mew is the Ancestor, Arceus is the Creator God, what's the confusion? Ancestor means, '[Being] from which [Blank] is descended from', The only beings descended from Arceus are the Dragon Trio and the Lake Trio... Unless Game Freak makes some other stuff. Mew is just the first Mortal Pokemon, like Adam and Lilith/Eve are to Humans, it's not a god or anything.
The Explorers Partner is an orphan.They're called a 'kid' more than once over the course of the story, and yet lived all alone just outside of town until joining the Wigglytuff Guild. Childcare seems to be hard to come by for orphans if Chansey's Daycare is any indication. Joining the Guild was as much about getting some kind of family as it was about shoring up on confidence and experience.
- I just assumed that the "kid" epithet was more due to their rookie status.
- Really? Because I'm sure 90% of Pokemon's main protagonists are kids around 10-13. Plus, well, let's just say "Manchild" seems very unlikely. It's not unreasonable to think "kid" means, well....kid.
- If you look at it another way... perhaps Bidoof's wish caused the partner to suddenly exist when it hadn't before. Since the partner has no family, of course they're an orphan!
Spinda is as high as a kite.Do I really have to explain this one?
Ludicolo is the Kool-Aid Man.Oh, yeaaaaah!
- That makes so much sense. They even look alike!
- Or he's Macho Man Randy Savage in Pokémon form.
- Um... about that...
The Duskull running the bank is the present-day version of Dusknoir.Since there only seems to be one significant member of each Pokemon species, it's unlikely that there's another Duskull running around during the events of the game.
- So... why doesn't Dusknoir have Duskull's Verbal Tic?
- This is because he decides to drop it between the time of the main plot of time/darkness/sky and the dark future that's ruled by Dialga.
- I'm pretty sure there are Dusclops in one of the dungeons in the future, so Dusknoir could easily just have evolved from one of them.
The reason the Time Gears weren't at Temporal Tower was because they'd never been there.OK, so on the Just Bugs Me page, someone asked why the Time Gears weren't at Temporal Tower to begin with. My theory: they were never there. The Time Gears were at the same place as Temporal Tower, guarded by Dialga, until someone raised the idea of building a real tower. Dialga was one of the most important Pokemon involved in building the tower, but this left the Time Gears unguarded for anyone to play with, so he asked Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf, an unknown guardian and Ditto's predecessor to take them to somewhere far out of the way until the Tower was finished. However, just before the Tower was finished, there was an earthquake which damaged the Tower slightly but also killed the guardian in Treeshroud Forest. Dialga had been hit on the head by debris in the earthquake and forgot that he needed the Time Gears there- he thought that time would work fine the way it was, and by the time the Pokemon had recovered from the effects of the quake, the guardians didn't give the Gears back because Dialga hadn't asked for them and it had been a while since they'd been given them, so they just kept them. Over the years, a legend started about how the Gears needed to be at their present locations, and soon Dialga started believing it- especially when someone moved the Treeshroud Forest Gear to see what would happen and time stopped.
The player character in Time/Darkness/Sky was created by Giratina.In the Dark future, Giratina kept his world separated from the paralyzed world, but seeing as the few remaining Pokemon that were still trying to fight Primal Dialga, Giratina decided to help them before sealing his world away from theirs permanently. He called upon Grovyle and Celebi, and told them how they could change the past in order to save the future. He then created the player character specifically to help Grovyle and Celebi with this mission, and used it's power to make sure that the child would age to the proper age for effectively being able to help out with such a dangerous mission.
Chatot is Younger Than He Looks.He's actually just about as inexperienced as the rest of the Guild. Sure, he's Wigglytuff's right-hand bird and has shouldered the responsibility of keeping the Guild running, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's an adult — at most, he could be a teenager. He hasn't finished growing up yet, and lacks the maturity that age and experience should bring. Factor in Wigglytuff's own childish nature, and you have somebody who believes they're the Only Sane Man, which has grossly inflated his ego. That's why he makes such stupid, snap decisions all the time — for all the responsibility he holds, he's still Just a Kid.
In the future, time is horribly distorted.Because of that, the past would in some way start to overlap with the present at certain times, which probably made the human protagonist come to the future. The rest is history.
Luxray and Manectric's tribes were both involved in the betrayal at Amp Plains.The two tribes used to coexist peacefully there, but at some point, a deadly misunderstanding occurred, leading to an abrupt, vicious turf war breaking out. At the time of the game events, the two packs maintain an uneasy peace, venturing to the Far Amp Plains at different times... and always on edge, half-expecting the other side to betray them again and launch an ambush.
- And in Explorers of Sky, your partner can be a Shinx... no wonder the Manectric tribe doesn't believe you!
- To Add to this theory, The Horrible Misunderstanding was caused by Darkrai.
The reason why the Dimensional Scream works differently in the past and the futureTime and Space are "constant" forces in the world which encompass and surround everything, somewhat like energy fields. The Dimensional Scream now reaches from inside the person out into these energy fields (Time and Space) and accesses them. This is how the visions are generally caused. Now, in the future, time has stopped, so one of these 'fields' is as good as nonexistent. However, the locations of the Time Gears are essential for the continued flow of time, right? So maybe these locations were some sort of 'focus points', where time ran especially strongly in the past; in the future, however, they might be the only place where residues of 'Time' can be found (as I said, I'm talking about time as some sort of field or energy). That is why, in the future, only places related to the Time Gears caused the Dimensional Scream. In the past, however, time still flows everywhere. As such, the Dimensional Scream can be triggered not only near Time Gears, but also in totally unrelated locations.
The Treasure in Mt. Bristle Drowzee thought was money and etc. was actually a time gearThat's usually what most of the treasures turn out to be, unfortunately.
- I'm sure the game states at some point that there are only five Time Gears. One in Treeshroud Forest, one at each lake, and one at that place that appears in one of the sky extra missions. See the entry below.
- Actually, there was another one that was shown to be inside a volcano, but it was never seen in the game, only in a cutscene. If Mt. Bristle is a volcano that hasn't erupted for years, it could explain where that Time Gear was.
- Also, I thought it was never stated that there were only five, just that there were at least five. I think Grovyle even said he had all the "necessary" ones, not specifically all of them. So it is possible that there could be a Time Gear hidden in Mt. Bristle.
The reason Grovyle goes back to the future is not because he didn't have enough strength to continue, but because of Celebi.What other reason could he have? He's still got enough strength to push Dusknoir around, so he could've continued, but didn't because he wanted to spend his last moments with Celebi.
There exists more than five time gears.Well, at one point we do hear that a time gear was said to be hidden inside a volcano, but none of the five time gears we see were inside one. There may exist other time gears, but only five were needed. After Temporal Tower was restored, it's possible that Dialga drew away the power of the remaining time gears hidden out there to make sure that he would be powerful enough to prevent time from ever going out of control again.
Dialga brought back the PC in Time/Darkness/Sky to prevent a Temporal Paradox.If the future you're from no longer existed, then you never existed and therefore could never have saved Dialga in the first place.
The (human) player was resurrected from a fossil.Probably the Pokemon managed to find a way to bring human fossils back to life.
Dialga isn't the god of time, he's the personification of time.Temporal Tower was his original home, and his powers became tied up with it. The Time Gears were just ordinary pieces of the tower. Dialga's power soaked into the stones that made up the tower and gave individual pieces the ability to maintain time. When time began to screw up in certain places, Dialga removed the stones and allowed them to be taken to the afflicted places, but since Temporal Tower was no longer whole, his sanity began to deteriorate.
Perfect Apples are drugsSeriously, you can replace the word "Perfect Apple" with the name of any illegal substance and the whole ordeal would still make sense. Also note how cranky Wigglytuff gets.
Perfect Apples actually tasted badIt wasn't sold anywhere and Wigglytuff is the only one who likes it. Team Charm gave it to him like it was something of little value.
Temporal Tower is the PMD Universe's manifestation of The Dark Tower, and both stories are interrelated.Both towers hold time together, and the protagonist in both stories are trying to stop the towers from becoming destabilized. Your party in PMD is your Ka-tet, and instead of a gunslinger you're a member of the guild. Dusknoir is a incarnation of Randall Flagg/A Servant of the Crimson King.
Team Skull is alive and wellAfter Brine Cave, you never see them again, but that doesn't have to mean they're dead. Alternatively they just left the Treasure Town area, having learned their lesson for picking on Pokepals and the Guild. They either found a new target or just decided to lay low and stay out of everyone's way.
How the PMD 2 protagonist got their power...The Dusk Forest in the Future. Specifically, it is/was/will be Viridian Forest, and, as in Pokemon Special, it can grant people powers. You never find out what the protagonist's life was like, excluding what Grovyle has stated, so you would have no clue where the protagonist was born. The distortion of time affected Viridian Forest, but Celebi, whom for the sake of WMG shall be considered guardian of the forest, protected herself and by extension her forest, by shrouding the forest in a dark mist. Years pass, the forest has not been granting powers since world's paralysis; humans are avoiding pokemon to protect themselves, so the gift power not being used and builds up. Then, a human family on the run has a child while hiding in the forest. Celebi, seeing an opportunity, grants the human child powers, but due to the build up of non-used gift power and the distortion of time, the forest's gift becomes the Dimensional Scream. Said gifted child child came back to the forest some years later, and Celebi, realising what has happened, introduces him/her to Grovyle, who was at the time a mere Treecko. And everything went from there...
Grovyle used to be human.It's stated early on in Time/Darkness/Sky that the distortion of time is stopping pokemon from evolving. So how did Grovyle manage to evolve from Treecko? Answer: He didn't. He was turned into a pokemon as well, but never revealed it to his partner, as it was painful enough seeing them unable to remember him.
The player DID understand what Grovyle said......However, it was because of the Dimensional Scream. For me, it DID work in the future... Just in another way. After all, it is the dimensional SCREAM. Maybe it was used to talk with pokémon. Also, when Grovyle and the player talked with Celebi, she said that the Dimensional Scream couldn't be used to talk with pokémon in the past, and when the player lost their memory, it somehow remembered that part. That's why he was surprised when a Pokémon talked to him.
The player lost their personal memories, including the identities of Grovyle and Dusknoir, but not the knowledge or instincts they had picked up while in human form.There is some pretty huge evidence towards this: they remember that humans can't understand Pokémon, they remain heroic just as they were in the future, and they generally seem like they stay just like they were as a human.
The titles of the first two Explorers games are Namesakes.The titles may simply seem to be Rule of Cool, but they actually hide a deeper meaning; if you combine them, they can form the collective title of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness and Time (or Time and Darkness). This probably refers to the fact that later in the game, the player character travels through time and explores the dark future. This would make the player, partner, and Grovyle both "explorers of time" (time travelers) and "explorers of darkness" (the future). Explorers of Sky simply refers to the mission in Shaymin Village, newly added in the remake.
- I thought it was obvious, why is this in WMG?
Pink Celebi actually indicate gender, not shininess.Or, to be precise, if a Celebi is shiny it means it's female. Yes, Celebi don't have a designated gender, but it could just mean gender unknown. This may go to explain why Celebi are so rare-there's only 1 female in over 8000.
Darkrai is responsible for dark energyWhy not? After all, it's a spatial phenomenon and he was screwing with space.
The partner pokemon (if it's a Shinx), was orphaned at Amp Plains at some point in the past.In Sky, the Luxray tribe at Amp Plains is replaced with Manectric instead. Maybe the Luxray tribe got wiped out in a territory spat, including Shinx's (your partner's) family. Maybe that's why the partner is so timid at first. It's what this troper likes to think about her partner's origins, which are never properly explained.
The player character from Time/Darkness/Sky was never a humanSince all the humans died out long ago, s/he was actually a shapeshifting alien sent to the Pokemon World to undo the bad future. Posing as a human. The Dimensional Scream is an alien ability. Since s/he had already told Groyvle s/he was human, when the hero ended up with amnesia the only memory s/he had left was "I was a human" which was not true. And that may be why s/he turned into a Pokemon. Unbeknownst to him/her, Time Travel has negative side effects on their race, and automatically (Permanently) shape-shifted him/her into another form (Which was affected by his/her subconscious, so if the last thought on his/her mind was Pokemon...)
Explorers is what happened after you had failed
- Consider this : We know from the dimensional scream, the player and the Grovyle had visited the Fogbound lake in the future. Now why would they need to go there? If they are simply wanted to change the past, there's no need. Unless they were trying to take time gears in the future...
- Another thing to consider : Why would they need to change the past anyway, instead of just fixing the Temporal Tower in the future? Changing the past is basically erasing themselves from history. Unless, they were really desperate and had no choice...
- Another question : The human had dimensional scream, yes, but still, to travel alone with just two companions in the future is dangerous. The human was either a Badass, or he was originally wasn't alone.
- Conclusion : The human and his partners had tried before, and failed badly.
- It was like this : In the dark future, there was a human who had Dimensional Scream ability. Knowing he was the only one who can save the world, he went on adventures to collect the time gears and returned the Temporal Tower back to normal. Of course he wasn't alone, he had several pokemon partners accompanying him, including Grovyle.
- However, he failed badly. Either the Temporal Tower was beyond repair or the time gears in the future were broken; and then he was defeated by either Primal Dialga and/or Dusknoir and his army (and maybe Darkrai too). All the other pokemon in his party were killed and the player and Grovyle merely survive thanks to Celebi intervention.
- As the future world cannot be saved, the player came into conclusion to destroy the timeline instead. It's like Munna's goal in Gates to Infinity. Both Grovyle and the player were desperate enough that they were willing to erase themselves to change the history, because they had nothing to lose. It also explained how Grovyle was bitter and didn't care how he stopped time in the past. Thankfully, the player lost their memory as they traveled into the past, or else you'd be playing with a bitter antihero who would do anything to change the past.
- Grovyle didn't mention anything of their previous adventure as he saw how happy the player was with the new partner. He only told you that you will disappear because there were no choice.
The mons from the Bad Future revived in the game's present, or a relatively short time afterSince the bad future lacks any true passage of time (not counting cause and effect), everything would've remained in the exact moment where time went down the crapper. With how close the player and partner cut it when delivering the Time Gears, it can be assumed this moment would've been not long after your fight with Dialga, which for all intents and purposes is basically the present. Of note is that in Super you can recruit both the characters from the bad future and the guild members (who haven't so much as evolved since the events of Explorers, mind you), showing that they exist simultaneously. Then again, this detail could also be explained by Celebi time traveling with everyone.
Gates to Infinity
In Gates to Infinity, The Player Character actually does have their memories of their human lives—It's just that Nobody bothered to ask them about it.When you think about it, it sort of fits. I mean, you don't expect someone (even a pokemon) to hear your life story from the start, so since nobody asked or mentioned about it, the player character just never talked about it.
The unseen Greater Scope Villain in Gates to Infinity is ArceusArceus designed the world he created so that free will could be maintained without causing too much misery by creating the Bittercold so that it would collect the misery of every living being should it become too much, destroy everything and start life over
There's probably going to be a Sequel to Gates To InfinityJust a meta guess, but since it did happen with The Mainstream Pokemon Games, It could happen with PMD. it might come in as Downloadable Content, Or it'll come as a completely separate game, probably right after X and Y have been released (maybe with a possibility of all Gen. plus Gen. 6 Pokemon added to to the mix, though I would guess it would require the game to be booted up to a larger console for THAT many at once). After all, when you think of it, with all the little loose ends it has, It does leave room for a sequel
- Additionally, if it's a DLC add-on to the story, it could Retcon the player character coming back to the Pokemon World if you said "yes" or just continue off the save file made when you said "No" instead for a whole new arc.
The HAPPI bylaw applies to founding members.The reason that one of the core party have to stay behind during the Great Glacier expedition isn't Gameplay and Story Segregation. In order to form a team with HAPPI, you require at least four members. These are considered founding members, and while you can recruit as many Pokemon as you have badges for, only these ones that are "on the record" count for the rule. One can assume there are ways of getting others on the record, such as if all the founding members planned to retire, but they probably require too much time and paperwork for the situation.
The player character was originally supposed to enter the world in a ball of light, like how they left it.The fact that that didn't happen was Munna's first attempt at stopping the player.
There's a reason why you can't play as Cyndaquil in Gates to InfinityYou see, at the start of the game the player ends up in the middle of a glowing Magnagate (Round, glowing circle) and then winds up literally falling into the Pokemon world. No big deal, but Cyndaquil's final form is Typhlosion, which has many Pokedex entries that say that it can make explosions by rubbing its fur together. That, and Cyndaquil's eyes are shut, implying it can't see that well/is blind. (Unless it can see through it's eyelids) Yeah...
Gates To Infinity is actually one of the few Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games where the human turned Pokemon protagonist doesn't come back.This is more so going off the "after game" (or the "lack of" after game) than some generic 'lol it's all in the partners head' bullcrap theories. Unlike the previous games in the series, Gates To Infinity is one of the few PMD games where the partner fully understands and accepts that the player character can't stay in their world, and opts to send them off with a smile instead of crying over it. And then there's the fact that the player doesn't come back right away unlike the previous games, and when the other characters try to think of ways to bring the player back, he's the only one whose reluctant to bring him back sense he understands that the player character has friends and family in his own world too.
- And then there's the "after game", in which unlike previous PMD games which felt like they could be a direct sequal, Gates to Infinity only has like one or two dungeons the partner has to travel in order to bring the player back, and then the only thing left to do is Legendary Challenges. That, combined with the fact that the 'Hill of Universial Order' nearly pooped itself over the partners wish when the partner tries to bring the player back, seems to suggest that what we're seeing here might not be 'canon'.
- tl;dr version: The after game is more of a 'what if' scenario instead of actual canon, and the partner learns to stand on his own without the players help to further build his 'Pokemon Paradise'.
- Personally, I'mma disregard this one, okay? Nothing against you, but that just seems a little sad, and I hate that type of ending.
- tl;dr version: The after game is more of a 'what if' scenario instead of actual canon, and the partner learns to stand on his own without the players help to further build his 'Pokemon Paradise'.
Umbreon and Espeon are teenagers with attitude.I mean, they seriously fit the bill in being "overbearing and over-emotional". Okay, Power Rangers jokes aside, they honestly seems a little immature. I mean really, Espeon breaks down in tears over getting Swadloon involved, and Umbreon jumps to the conclusion beforehand that she lost the Entercards. Also, if you want to object on the grounds that they can't be teens because of how they're researchers and such, I just feel like reminding you....the player and partner characters are unevolved (and heavily implied to be) kids who can knock out very powerful legendaries and convince them to join the team. I highly doubt a pair of 16-year-old archaeologists are THAT unlikely. note
Emolga is gayHe seemed a little too close to Dunsparce one might think. Not to mention he was the only male in the inn note to not find Virizion attractive.
The protagonist has Asperger's Syndrome.The player character is an expy of the Pokemon franchise creator, so why not?
The protagonist in Super is the same one from Gt I
- Following the WMG above that protagonist in Gt I doesn't return and they don't have amnesia. They might prefer to stay in human world. The protagonist only return to save the world again, but they get amnesia this time.
- Hydregion seems to be familiar with you.
The Bittercold and Dark Matter are the same/similar beings.
- Both of them are said to be made of the negative emotions in Pokémon's hearts, but there are a number of differences, such as appearance, and abilities. Here's this troper's theory on the differences; The Bittercold came about because Kyurem tried to accelerate Dark Matter's forming process in an attempt to get the wait over with. The end result is that Dark Matter was "stillborn", left half-formed, and so it wasn't sentient. Despite this, it still had it's mind control powers, but it used them purely on instinct, to disable anything it saw as a threat; hence the Winds of Despair. If we take a look at the cores of the Bittercold◊ and Dark Matter◊ You can see that they look almost exactly the same. So, the Bittercold is what you get when you try to wake Dark Matter up early.
It's unlikely Dark Matter is really, truly dead.
- You can't kill the embodiment of evil that easily, after all. It's quite possible the consciousness and mind of the current version of the incarnation of the darkness of sentient beings was obliterated by the Partner's acceptance of it, but the essence of the entity is likely to re-manifest whenever the evil residing in Pokemon's hearts and souls surges again. Building on above WM Gs suggesting the Bittercold and Dark Matter are possibly different incarnations of the same being, whenever it returns it may look, act and think differently but it's still the same thing returned from the Void. It would take either purging all sentient life of darkness and malevolence (which would be bad news for the concept of free will) or convincing ALL sentient beings to accept the existence of evil, at least in the Mystery Dungeon universe(s) if not the whole Pokemon multiverse, to finally get rid of it for good. It's hard to subvert As Long as There Is Evil, sadly.
In the next Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game, there will be...
- Pokemon from Pokémon Black and White.
- A Big Bad that is an Expy of N, with his allies being of Pokemon that follow him.
- Having two rival teams out of your guild, representing Cheren and Bianca. One will be strong against the protagonist, the other will be weak against protagonist.
- Somehow become darker than the second game.
- Rather than an Expy, N could himself be the villain.
- Why would N/N-Expy be an antagonist? PMD already takes place where there aren't any humans. I guess it could work if the plot is to figure out what happened to the humans/reunite with them.
- It will turn out Genesect is behind it all, whatever "it" is.
- However, I'd like to add the suggestion that the villain could be human. Think about it. Be manipulating things from the human world and sending his Pokemon, serving as Psycho Rangers to the actual Guild the player is a part of, The Dragon, his strongest Pokémon, the fully evolved starter Pokémon with an elemental advantage over yours, acting as the Big Bad until his master is revealed, to do his plans in his stead, only coming to the Pokémon World after his Pokémon are defeated and arrested, taking on Pokémon form for the final battle. And in the end, it's revealed he's actually The Rival from the human world to the hero.
- Or this human could be the one responsible for the human-less world, in order to make a Evil Plan to conquer the world. The human's name? Ghetsis.
- I agree, though think it would be better if the fully-evolved start were the final boss. Then when it's defeated, the rival gets cowardly since he has no more Pokemon to hide behind.
- The only logical reason that I'd think Ghetsis would be responsible for the fact that humans aren't in the Mystery Dungeon world is because Ghetsis' plans worked out and the Mystery Dungeon world is What N was hoping to create while he got the human world. And being perfectly honest, I don't believe this because I don't think that Ghetsis is the complete monster like everyone says he is.
- And then I played Pokemon Black and White 2...
One or more of the kami trio will be the villain/s of the next gamesIt would probably help their reputation if they were actual, cool villains.
- Maybe both Tornadus and Thundurus could be villains. Then a big part of the plot could be to go find Landorus and stop them...
There will be trainers you have to run away from in one of the games.If you get caught, you have to fight all their pokémon. If they capture you, you have to play a minigame to break out of the pokéball.
- Interesting idea, but it would never happen, considering that the Dungeon games take place in a human-less world.
PMD4 starter guesses, courtesy of Bwburke94Water: Squirtle, Totodile, Mudkip, Piplup, Oshawott, Panpournote Grass: Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Treecko, Turtwig, Snivy, Pansagenote Fire: Charmander, Cyndaquil, Torchic, Chimchar, Tepig, Pansearnote Electric: Pikachu, Blitzlenote Normal: Eevee, Meowthnote , Minccinonote Fighting: Machopnote , Riolunote Ground: Cubonenote , Phanpynote , Drilburnote Dark: Zorua Psychic: Munnanote Flying: Starly[[note]]male only]], Pidovenote
- Jossed for Gates to Infinity (which only had Gen V mons and Pikachu) and Super.
- That's.....Actually a really cool idea! It would probably end up leading to some kind of Aesop, likely concerning friendship stuff. Then again, wouldn't going on a rage against the forces that brought them here lead to them ending up away from said friends and such?
Next PMD title will be based on Pokkén Tournament.Next PMD title will not be just a roguelike title; it will be a Beat 'em Up Fighting Game running a Pokkén Tournament engine and inspired by Tekken's Scenario Modes. It will still be based off Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games and have some elements borrowed from them. However, tweaks will be imposed:
- Explorer Team Fights and NPC Duels could be made into missions in which you need to perform certain requirements, like beating a super-fast enemy, defeating the enemy while both fighters are poisoned, etc. Some popular cult classics like Pichu Brothers and Team Charm will appear in Explorer Team Fights.
- There will be a new guild "Pokkén Force", an expy of Tekken Force which protects the Mystery Dungeons and you must fight them over to uncover the dungeons.
- The player will start out without partners but gains one through progress. A Mission Control will be guiding the player throughout the game, but it will show up and fight you in certain points of the game. Somewhat similar to MSX2 Metal Gear.
- Some Support Pokémon will show up as bosses in this PMD mode's NPC Duels, such as Espeon and Umbreon based on those from Gates to Infinity.
Multiple PMD games / general
The Wigglytuff who sold Friend Areas in the first game is the Guildmaster in the second.Explains why Friend Areas are no longer necessary and how the two Wigglytuff act similarly.
- Alternately, he could be that Wigglytuff's son; we do get to see his parents and some of his past in his sidestory, after all.
- This could be Jossed, as the second game establishes that it takes place in the past. Unless the first game also took place in the past, before the second one...
- Pretty sure the Wigglytuff in Red/Blue is female. I remember the partner Pokémon referring to Wigglytuff as a "she."
The Dugtrio in Time/Darkness/Sky is the Diglett from Red/Blue Rescue Team.There was actually a Time Skip between the two games; during that period he grew up and set off on a journey to find himself. His father was a braggart who exaggerated his own experiences to sound better; whether he was aware of this or not, he wanted to live up to that 'legacy' and have adventures of his own. Thus, he traveled across the sea, then joined Wigglytuff's Guild. He also had a son of his own and is raising him to become an explorer as well.
Humans are extinct by the time of the first two Mystery Dungeons.Why don't any humans ever show up in the Mystery Dungeon subseries besides the PC? It's because they went extinct long ago, and are remembered only for assorted ancient artifacts.
- Makes sense, the flashback of Gengar's past human life a thousand years ago shows him dressed in what looks like modern-day clothing, so unless the Pokemon world is subject to Modern Stasis this would suggest that it takes place in the distant future.
The heroes were pulled from the past.Perhaps Dialga or Celebi did it.
The first two Mystery Dungeons are in the same world. The PMD2 hero is a foundling.
- This troper has a theory. I'm assuming that PMD1 and PMD2 are in the same world, but generations apart. Whether they also share a world with the mainstream games is up to you. Anyway, my theory is as such: some time before PMD1 took place the world was inhabited by both humans and Pokémon, but humans eventually left the world for some reason leaving Pokémon behind. It can't be long before PMD1 because several human constructions are still standing. Eventually, generations later, at some point between the present of PMD2 and the future of PMD2 the humans return, and are all but wiped out by Primal Dialga, leaving only a few humans left, including the player, probably as a baby. One by one the remaining humans are picked off, leaving only the player, who is taken in by Grovyle. The rest is history. Future history.
- I think you've got it. If what you said is true then that means that the 'world of humans' mentioned in PMD 1 is the past, and that is where you were pulled from. That really explains everything, good job!
- My theory is that the humans left the PMD world before the first games for some reason, and some humans returned (along with the player as a baby and his parents) after everything went to hell in the Bad Future of the second games. Then Primal Dialga picked off those humans, but not the player's parents managed to hide him until Grovyle found him.
- The part of same world is confirmed.
Actually, the first two Mystery Dungeons take place in the very distant past.Explained in the Explorers games. However, in the Red and Blue games, time isn't being messed up. Anyway, the games take place in the past before humans even appeared. This would suggest that Pokémon are the original inhabitants of the world. Humans are either aliens or descendants of the Pokémon. Finally, the world that PMD2 takes place in is the same world where the original is set. The original area is simply the mainland, maybe even part of a larger continent, and the PMD2 world is simply an island off the coast of the main landmass.
- Except in PMD1 one of the Friends Areas is described as being a 'ruined human laboratory', so it can't have been in the distant past.
- Best part is that you can use legends IN THE MAIN GAMES to help support this. One of the old legends implies that Humans are skinless Pokémon, and that they took off the skins before going into villages. This could be a bit before Pokémon started doing this, and why there are a few, although rare, humans, and why some Pokémon freak out a bit when they find out that you are human. After all, you are essentially a Pokemon who tore off their own flesh
- If they took place in the distant past, then where did Mewtwo come from? What about the Porygon, Voltorb, and Magnemite evolution families?
- What does Magnemite have to do with this? I am sure they aren't man-made (or have man-made origin in Voltorb's case), unlike the other you mentioned.
The Arbok of Team AWD and the Medicham of Team Charm were once members of Team Meanies.Call it youthful indiscretion? It wouldn't be the first time a couple of kids fell in line with some jerk promising grand things — "Oh, we'll rule the world one day, you'll see!" Eventually, of course, the team drifted apart, and after Gengar had to take care of plot-related details, Ekans and Medicham went their separate ways. Both ended up as part of new groups, Ekans evolved, and everything worked out pretty well. (Plus, this theory makes certain events in Sky more... interesting.)
- Does that mean that Team Charm's Gardevoir is the same one rescued in the first game?
- It's possible, but in when Team Charm and Team AWD face off in Special Episode 4 in Sky, wouldn't Medicham and Arbok have recognized each other? Or at least, Arbok would've recognized Medicham?
- Maybe Arbok did recognize her, but didn't want to say anything out loud so that Weavile wouldn't get angry with him?
Gardevoir from Team Charm is the same Gardevoir from Red/Blue Rescue Team.Sometime after being released from Ninetales' seal in Murky Cave, and with no memory of why she was sealed in the first place, she decided to strike out on her own. Eventually, she meets Lopunny, who invites her to join her
- Gardevoir appeared in town and joined the player's team after being freed in the original dungeon games.
- Well, she could just quit sometime afterwards (we don't know how many times passed between two games) and joined Team Charm later.
Grovyle from Time/Darkness is the human protagonist from Red/Blue.I mean, this is a WMG page after all.
- But...what happened to the Red/Blue partner?
The Xatu in the first PMD is the one who opens Treasure Chests in the second.
The first Wigglytuff is the Guild Master's motherAs in the one from the first game.
The human from the second game is actually the future self one from the first game.When time broke down, they were reverted to their human form, the canon partner for the first game was a Treecko who became Grovyle. Having saved the world once, they try doing so again, eventually traveling back in time, the player ending up in the same situation they did in their original adventure, but not knowing it. Also, they could be Gengar, who was the reincarnation of a human.
- Alternately... If the protagonist is Gengar, who is still wanting to make up for his past actions, then Grovyle is the R/B player character (combining this with a guess seen above). No idea where this would put the R/B partner, but Gengar and Grovyle eventually started working together after saving Gardevoir.
- How does Gengar have a Dimensional Scream anyway?
- The partner of Explorers is the child of Red/Blue's partner. The team split up after a while (Let's face it, almost everyone restarts their games at some point), and the two ended up with a distant relationship, thus explaining why the Explorers partner doesn't recognize Grovyle. Due to non-specified genders in the first game, we could assume that the R/B partner was male, and ended up with the Explorers partner's mother.
The human from the second game is the alternate future version from the player of the first gameAfter the future was saved,the world had a happy history up until the point were the player character from Darkness/Time was born, only that the planet wasn't paralyzed and all. But another problem arose in form of the meteor, The higher power that Gardevoir worked for knew that the Player saved the world in an alternate timeline and thus he/she was chosen to save the world...again.
- But the Explorer player had Dimensional Scream.
The games take place on an alien planet.Hence why humans don't exist in the games.
- And yet they know about Humans existence. Explain.
- The planet is within close proximity to Earth. If Pokemon wish to go to Earth, they use special transporters. However, not all Pokemon are aware of what humans are like. They just hear about them through rumors. The partner could be one of those Pokemon since he/she didn't know his/her kind could work with humans as a team.
- I`d say Parallel Universe
- To be more specific, PMD takes place in a parallel universe to ORAS.
The events of the games prior to Gates to Infinity are just an illusion created by MunnaThe player characters were indeed former humans, but this was Munna's way of making sure they never meddle in Kyurem's plans. That was how they eradicated the other former humans mentioned by Hydreigon. The events in the games could also be their dying dreams.
The "It takes place in the past" and "It takes place in the future" theories are both true.However the first two games took place in opposite order. Pokemon: Time and Darkness takes place in the main series' prehistory, while Pokemon: Red and Blue Adventure Team takes place in the distant future. The 4th gen Mystery Dungeon games occurred while humanity was in its primitive tribal stage, just beginning to begin a relationship with Pokemon. In the Bad Future, the main series didn't happen. When it was negated, humanity didn't have the threat of Primal Dialga and rose to dominance, and after tens of thousands of years the main Pokemon series began. Tens of thousands of years later human civilization collapsed and reduced them to their previous era of savagery. With Time and Darkness, humans were mythical to Pokemon because they were just starting. With Red and Blue, humans were mythical to Pokemon because we'd been thrown back to that Stone Age. Now wait, you ask: a number of Pokemon appear in both games that need human civilization around to explain them. Well I've got two possible explanations for that: one is that time travel was used, and the other is that both that place tens of thousands of years into the future, but between the second and first Mystery Dungeon games society rebuilt itself. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity take place at the end of the Special Episode of "Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky." When everyone in the Bad Future was spared, the Powers That Be solved the problem by creating an entirely new universe for them. Gates of Infinity is the future of that timeline, but set in the same era as the main series. This explains why there, you're transported from another world-you were pulled from the main series timeline to the Gates of Infinity Timeline.
The Pokémon world is a dream world/afterlifeAll the human characters are either dead, or in a coma.
The dungeon-dwelling Kecleon take over Monster Houses for their shops.While finding items in mystery dungeons is pretty easy, the best stuff tends to be inside Monster Houses. The Kecleon are aware of this, so they specifically seek out Monster Houses. When they find one, they summon their buddies, slaughter everyone inside, then gather up the goods and set up shop. That's why Kecleon are so strong and how they're able to instantly call in help if any adventurers try to swipe their stuff.
Humans are alive and well, but the Pokémon towns are far away from them.Apparently humans very rarely visit, if ever.
- I always thought this was true as well. It explains why all the Pokémon know what a human is, even though you don't actually see any in game.
It is taboo to mention someone's real name in public.The Pokemon do have names besides their species names, but for some reason there's a strong taboo against using them in public. Not even the confusion of having, say, two Kecleon running a shop or a pair of Ursaring is enough to overcome it. The Pokemon that join your team signal their working relationship with and trust in you by telling you their real names, and Alakazam, Chatot, and so on probably refer to the hero and partner by their species names. The partner is forward enough to ask the hero's name at the beginning as they can tell the hero's extremely dazed and probably needs all the bits of memory they can get.
- Perhaps using a given name is an extremely informal method of address, used primarily for close friends and those of lower status.
All Pokemon have unique names; the games simply omit them because of Nominal Importance.The only Pokemon whose names matter are the ones the player inputs themselves: The Hero, his/her Partner, and everyone they recruit. Everyone else has names; the game simply doesn't use them because this story is ultimately all about the hero and their friends. Wigglytuff's name isn't mentioned because the Guild's called "The Wigglytuff Guild", and revealing his real name would just confuse the target audience, wouldn't it? Same goes for Chatot, Bidoof, Sunflora and the rest: it's easier to just address them by what they are and conserve details rather than juggle extra names. Plus, this lets any fans who really care about such details to invent their own, putting that much more of a personal spin on their version of the story.
- I support this. It would be difficult for the new player who is unfamiliar with the new gen of Pokemon to remember their names, especially if they had their own nickname.
Pokemon believe in the Power of Names, and thus only reveal their "real" name to close allies (unless they are a transformed human ignorant of this view)As seen on the Black and White WMG page.
Palkia is responsible for creating Mystery Dungeons.None of the Pokemon seem to know or even care why the same dungeon is different every single time you go inside. The existence of Dialga and Palkia has also been shown to be a little less than common knowledge. It's reasonable that Palkia could use its powers over the fabric of space to keep these dungeons constantly rearranging themselves. The Pokemon inside these dungeons could even be attacking you as a side effect of being exposed to these powers. When you beat the crap out of one, sometimes you knock enough sense into it to make it want to join you.
Berries are the Pokemon-world equivalent of energy drinks.Ever wondered why they cause immediate rejuvenation? This is made even more evident in the first TV special, where they cause whoever eats them to suddenly perk up or become hyperactive.
The Adventure Squad trio of games are Lighter and Softer as part of a Batman Gambit by the developers.The Explorers games got a LOT past the radar, so just in case the Moral Guardians happened to catch wind of that, the Adventure Squad games are Lighter and Softer by comparison. This way, the Moral Guardians won't find anything objectionable and will dismiss the series as "kiddie fluff"... at which point the fourth games will spring the Surprise Creepy on any players lured into a false sense of comfort by the third trio.
- Confirmed, sort of... so the fifth game will be Lighter and Softer again?
- Considering the plot is Pokemon turned to stone, I think the pattern is broke.
- The Japanese website says that Super Mystery Dungeon takes place in a High School A.U., or at least a school. Whether or not this means the game OVERALL is Lighter and Softer in the same way that Persona 4, a murder mystery is, is unknown.
The player character is asleep in a hospital on life support. The reason he/she stayed is because he/she doesn't want to wake up.
- Why all these horrible WMGs? Why does everybody want to think of the worst?!
- Agreed! What is WITH you people?! Sadly, I get the feeling everyone is just going to ignore us and carry on with these ridiculously tragic WMGs.
The Pokemon aren't talking.It's Translation Convention. In PMD2 though, you may or may not have been able to understand Grovyle when you were a human.
- Maybe in Poke-speech, but the player can understand them, so they ARE talking to each other at the very least.
The land of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon started off as an uplifting social experiment.Considering how people exist in the Bad Future, people seem to still be around in some form. A group of scientists, interested in Pokemon's potential for intelligence, wanted to see how a truly independent Pokemon society would develop. The supposed ruins of human buildings are the human structures used for this experiment. Humans are no longer around as part of the experiment, and because centuries have passed since this experiment began. Artificial and resurrected Pokemon like Porygon are there to watch it progress. Legendaries decided to migrate here because it allows them to be respected as the Poke-gods that they rather than glorified super-pets. The wild Pokemon in the Monster Houses are un-uplifted Pokemon.
The Rescue/Exploration Team Badges provide a psychic link between teammatesThe badges are made using super advanced junk Pokémon found that humans left behind. The badges provide a temporary psychic link that allows the rescue or exploration team to see what each other sees and share the same bag (which, by the way, is a small dimensional hole). The badge can also be used to teleport Pokémon out of dungeons, but only if they are not the leader. For that, an 'Escape Orb' is needed to provide more power. The badges can also teleport a team to certain relays across the continent, which is how you can get to places so fast. The regular series's gym badges are probably prototypes for this tech.
The one asking you the questions in the Explorers personality quiz is Celebi. This game repeats the first game's "This is the portal that leads to the world only inhabited by Pokemon". In the first game it made sense, since you're from the human world, but in this game, you're from the future. However, you did enter a portal to go back in time: The Passage of Time!
- Um, yeah. This one's heavily hinted by the personality quiz music returning in a certain scene...
- Plus, this could explain why Celebi seems to recognize you when Grovyle takes you to meet her.
- So wait, the personality quiz is the time travelling rift? What, Celebi set up everything?! (The Man Behind The Man Behind The Man?!)
The Mystery Dungeon Pokemon are descended from genetically altered Pokemon.The land of Mystery Dungeon did have humans, but they all died out. Before that time, a group of scientists genetically altered their Pokemon to be much more intelligent, cooperate with each other, live in houses, and use money. Poke is the currency the humans used. After the other humans found out about the genetically enhanced Pokemon, the scientists and Pokemon were driven from the land. They landed in Mystery Dungeon Land and colonized. The humans built the Friend Areas Power Plant and Decrepit Lab for themselves. They also built the beginnings of Pokemon Square. Eventually, the humans died out. The Pokemon bred with the native Pokemon and created intelligent, competent Pokemon - the Mystery Dungeon Pokemon. The Max Elixirs, Proteins and T Ms were created by the scientists and left behind. The Pokemon now live so well because they are so intelligent. Nowadays, nearly every Pokemon is related to the genetically altered Pokemon. Also, the gummis were a kind of fruit altered to enhance intelligence.
- So basically `The Secret of Poke Nimh` ;D
You're an orphan with no friends.That's why you don't care about your family in any game, and in the originals you didn't care about former friends or any connections. You're more than content with staying.
- World of talking animals and awesome adventures > School, homework, work, your boss/teacher, over-restrictive parents, annoying little brother, etc any day!
- But the player has no memory of his family or friends in the real world. Would you rather go to a world where it's a crapshoot whether or not you were accepted in life, or stay in a world where you already have friends, one of whom would be particularly distraught at you leaving?
- Probably not the case in Gti, which deliberately downplays this idea.
Crossover with the main games / other media
those damn moral codes hold you back, then how 'bout we just not give a shit about them?) and let 'em hurt people for shits and giggles. Will purifying fix this? I dunno, I've never tried it. In fact, this could be why Darkrai is so horrible in this continuity, unlike in any of the others.
These Pokemon are more evolved then their main game counterpartsOur meaning of evolved, not the metamorphosis kind in the series. They're sapient for one thing. They don't appear to follow any animal instincts like the main game Pokemon. They don't hunt and they all appear to be either herbivores or omnivores. They naturally get along with other Pokemon no matter the species or gender. They have a better sense of the world then most Pokemon in the game continuity and they can create buildings. Due to the lack of exposure to humans and human things however, they still don't understand certain things, such as potions or computers.
The mons are M.D.C creaturesIt explains how they can survive things that can kill a normal human being.
Dusknoir's ancestor used a Master Ball on Primal Dialga.When everything started going pear-shaped in Mystery Dungeon 2, various Pokemon attempted to get control over Primal Dialga in a vain attempt to restore his sanity. At some point, a Dusknoir (or a lower Pokemon in the evolution chain) found a curious relic left over from human times; it proved to be a Master Ball, and this ancestral Dusknoir used it on the raging time god. It obviously didn't fix much, but this is why the Dusknoir of Grovyle's time seems to act as both Primal Dialga's enforcer and keeper.
- Alternatively, Dusknoir is descended from one of Dawn/Lucas' Pokemon.
The Mystery Dungeon Series takes place in Pokemon Storage NetworkThe whole shebang takes place in the Pokemon Storage network inside of the main games, sometime after the original games, as early as Gold/Silver. I know only the following in support of this theory. Bill from the main series is introduced as having turned himself into a pokemon of some kind during a teleportation device accident. The Pokéballs (And PC boxes) are described to be able to make an environment the captured 'mon likes. The PC network from Bills storage system has a central server, where all the Mon's are stored (Elsewise, you could never reach them from just anywhere with a PC.) Bill, after his teleporter incident was confused as to whether he was human or not. So my wild mass guess: The Player Character is sent intentionally into the PC network to check the program for errors. This explains why the levels are randomized: The infinite challenge and stimulation keeps your Mons in storage from getting bored. The Time Gears are physical manifestations of the Kernel that underpins the whole system, and the places like Treasure Town or whatnot are mass hubs on the Central Servers where the Mons are left free. Time is also accelerated from the outsider's perspective. That's why humans and their appearance are common knowledge, but their absence is unremarked upon, as they know deep down they're in some kind of deeply involved simulation.
- Out of curiosity, what does this mean for the I Choose to Stay part of the Rescue Team games, or the ending of the Explorers set?
- Or, after Bill was transformed into a Pokemon. The computer actually created a digital copy of said Pokemon (Yeah the games said Clefairy, but we can pretend to ignore that and pretend it's in a parallel universe) and uploaded it onto the Wi-Fi into the PC. And that copy with no memories is basically "Avatar, Pokemon Style" though even the backstories are fabricated, as it's part of the simulation. So yeah, we're playing as Bill, which a glitch may or may not have made his Poketar a female.
- Why can Pokemon evolve there, though?
The game takes place in an Alternate Universe......where Lance succeeds in destroying the world in Pokémon Special! Lance said that after his plan succeeds the world would be entirely populated with Pokemon except for a few skilled trainers after he succeeded in his plan, so the humans that are left after the apocalypse would have likely died out. A few decades after humans become extinct, the Pokemon would start to develop sentience (if Pokemon "evolve" all the time, they'd likely develop that in a situation where there are no humans around), and the rest is probably history. Pokemon probably know about humans because there are still remaining ruins of human civilization (it's probably no less than fifty, and no more than a hundred years past the destruction), or because there were legends that told about humans. However, this can't solve the problem as to where the human protagonist in Time/Darkness came from in the future, which leads to my next WMG...
- Maybe the player character is descended from the trainers Lance selected? While there would only be a few of them, yes, that would actually help explain why the protagonist is a human but we see no other ones. There were so few humans to start with, that they left very, very few descendents behind. They probably had some form of specific population control to ensure that there were still a few people around, but not too many to keep them from abusing the Pokémon.
The Mystery Dungeon world is an alternate universe where N's plans succeeded.N wants to create separate worlds for humans and Pokémon, right? This would explain why the Pokémon in Mystery Dungeon know of humans, but none appear.
A future PMD will connect the mystery dungeons in that title to the Dream World.This will be used to explain their random nature, as well as give the developers an excuse to use the alternate Dream World Abilities and moves for all the pokemon. (This will be handled the way they already handle pokemon that have multiple potential Abilities: they'll just have both.) At first, the game will appear to be Sweet Dreams Fuel, with pokemon happily living out their dreams of adventure by exploring the mystery dungeons; however, soon the Surprise Creepy kicks in, as they gradually discover signs that there are disadvantages to the Dream World making things real. Ultimately, they'll have to face the Big Bad's evil plan to corrupt the Dream World for its own ends...
N is the ancestor of the Explorers hero.However he/she ended up with the future crew, they're a human who understands Pokemon. N wound up passing the skill down.
N is the Explorers hero.Though this kind of breaks down if you played as a female...
- If N changed his entire goddamn SPECIES, I don't think changing from XX to XY or vice-versa is that big a stretch.
The Explorers games take place inside the PC systemThis is how your Pokemon keep themselves entertained when you're not using them. The other exploration teams are the player's other Pokemon, and the Wigglytuff Guild are part of the program. Normally, the system does its job pretty well. But when a bizarre glitch appeared in the PC system, the player character and their Grovyle were sent in to attempt a bug fix. The glitch interfered with the transfer, and the PC lost their memory and landed on the beach. This is also why there's a personality quiz at the very beginning of the game - it's preparation for the transfer, trying to make sure the PC is converted into a Pokemon that matches their battling style. (The part where you choose your partner, on the other hand, I have no clue.) At the end of the game, Dialga restores the PC by, essentially, copy/pasting them from their battle with him. The original PC and Grovyle were successfully pulled out of the system after fixing the glitch and are living happily in the human world; the version of the PC that comes back to live in the Mystery Dungeon world is a duplicate. This also neatly explains any problems with the world-building: it's not meant to make sense, it's meant to be an in-universe fun virtual reality game.
The Mystery Dungeons are games within the main series of games.It serves as a decent explanation of why one series is so drastically different from the other. In the main games, virtually no Pokemon are sapient: the Pokedex has referenced Lucario and Lapras as being capable of understanding human speech, Alakazam's ridiculous IQ, and a few other hints of intelligence, but as far as gameplay goes, Pokemon are no closer to sapience than your average wild animal. It also explains that whole "Darkrai" thing; outside of Mystery Dungeon, Darkrai is established as not being in any way malicious. Nintendo as a company does exist within the main series; the only reason Mystery Dungeon has never been brought up is because of the Law of Conservation of Detail.
The Pokemon are reincarnations of human characters.
- Legendaries could be an aversion, considering they're generally immortal.
- The hero is the exception to this: you were literally plucked from your time period, and turned into a Pokemon. As for why you could exist in the future, that's because someone managed to bring back the humans.
- The single exception to all this would be Cyrus, since he'd still be in the Distortion World.
- Gengar is likely Paul. After all, he's a jerkass and could've very easily cursed himself. The entire experience could be one big Ironic Hell for him. (Considering Gengar in canon, this isn't much of a stretch.)
- Whiscash/Torkoal: Old Man Weedle.
- Team Skull: The Team Rocket trio. Koffing = James, Zubat = Jessie, and Skuntank = Meowth. That's right!
- Darkrai: Motherf*** GHETSIS!
- Grovyle: [Insert character voiced by Dan Green here]
The original Mystery Dungeon games occur in future!ObliviaFuture Oblivia collided with Hoenn due to shifting tectonic plates. This awakened the weather trio, who proceeded to destroy stuff. Due to this, the area was abandoned. My proof? Well while the islands potentially shifted around, stuff remained. Like the legendaries, the Latis, beasts, birds and Celebi, not to mention Mewtwo. Mt Freeze, Thunder and Blaze are Mt Sorbet, Layuda and Faldera respectively. The wireless tower fell to disrepair, becoming Mt Steel. The Pokemon are making the best of what is left of human technology.
Ghetsis is responsible for the lack of humans.Let's face it, if it furthered his goal, he'd take it. Wiping out humanity may have been an unintended side-effect, or worse, part of his plan. At some point, Ghetsis obtained a great power(the Creation Trio, Jirachi, etc) to kill all humanity, into a way that would reincarnate them all into Pokemon. Afterwards, he would use the disorientation and general lack of knowledge about human beings to conquer them all. Alternatively, it was a test drive in order to find a way to have total control of their minds.
Humans are from parallel universesIn the pmdverse, humans do not evolve naturally (in the Darwinian sense). However, the pmdverse exists alongside universes in which they do eg. the main series [[spoilers:in both iterations]]. The unstable spacetime that allows for the existence of mystery dungeons allows humans and their works to cross over from their native universe to pmdverse, though this is very rare, enough for humans to be regarded as mythical among the residents of the pmdverse. While they can be summoned directly, the summoner would have to know humans exist, making it likely that the first humans in the pmdverse arrived on accident.
The meteor in the first game is from a variant of the ORASverseHowever, the Link Cable is used as intended, sending the meteor to the pmdverse where it gets destroyed by the native Rayquaza anyway. Note that both meteors contain a Deoxys that can be obtained after the meteor's destruction.
The Mystery Dungeon universe is the result of the Mons playing SburbSomeone out there made the game, the Mons played it, they won and then repopulated in the universe they created. Said population was that of the Mystery Dungeon world. To extend from that, the meteor in the first pair of games was probably from the Reckoning of a future session to which Deoxys will be a vital character. On that note, the group of players who created the original universe from which the Mons came may have been some of us, and in the process of repopulating started the Training system to prepare the Mons for the game, knowing they'd play eventually. Gotta have good-quality players, after all.
- Side theory: Due to "the physical result of ascension to the god tiers [having] ties to the cultural image of perfection and perception of what godhood should be like for the species in question," (source) God Tier Mons would automatically become their final evolutions upon ascension—even if there were other evolutionary stages between. I.E. a Charmander who dies on its Quest Bed/Crypt would rise up as a God Tier Charizard.