Well, the main issue was a huge mess of Repair Dont Respond, but if someone edits something in incorrectly, feel free to fix it.
Edited by Ramidel I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.
Nezumi's recent edit essentially says "Unambiguously evil characters don't get to say Screw You, Elves!." However, the trope description is as follows:
"As Can't Argue with Elves is such a frustrating thing to many human viewers (and Most Viewers Are Human), the trope of humans telling and occasionally showing arrogant magical races exactly where to stick it is becoming popular."
That has nothing to do with whether the humans telling the elves where to stick it are supposed to be seen as the good guys. Fa/tg/uys' arguments over whether the witches or Malleus are the good guys (we've both heard that particular question rehashed a few million times, so let's not do so here) are kind of irrelevant here; the facts are that:
- Witches are a superior-to-humans-in-every-way magical race, with a pronounced tendency towards arrogant jerkassery towards the Muggles. No, the average witch isn't a Highbinder or Lucinda, but the majority of witches and the law of witchkind treat humans as far less than them.
- The Malleus Maleficarum are (almost always) humans with technology and firepower who are dedicated to kicking these arrogant jerks in the arse, in a very permanent way.
So how do the Malleus' actions not fit the trope? (For reference, the Imperium of Warhammer 40 K is mentioned on the trope page, and the Malleus are close enough to that for the fa/tg/uy Squee to rub off on them.)
I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.
Perky Goth
I noticed this had been deleted from Bleached Underpants, and the listing on that had been removed from here. I'm just curious if the original claims of it were false, or something else is going on.
"That's ridiculous. What would a walrus do with a magic bag?" Pokeamida Hide / Show Replies
I went and looked the site up and the connection between the staff of this and "The Shrinking Sorceress" does seem plausible. The biggest case for it would be a recurring character named Denora (Denora Desade, a famous "wicked" witch, is mentioned a few times in the rulebook) and the focus on "witch girls" (in those words) in some of the stories on the site. The general feel of the site (aside from the fact that it's... well... a fetish site, and this is a game/comic series for young girls) and the numerous mentions of famous witches in media (including Bewitched) also feel similar in tone to the rulebooks. But I couldn't find any names attached to the site.
Edited by ElectricNachos
From what little is saved of it, the similarities seem limited to characters called Claudia and Denora that somewhat resemble their counterparts in the original Witch Girls. There's some physical resemblance and they're both rather nasty witches... however, much of the similarity ends there — In Shrinking Sorceress, they're two unrelated characters, and in Witch Girls, they're mother and daughter, and none of the other characters seem to be common between the two. Unless there's something more dramatic that was lost, it's a bit of a stretch to say that Witch Girls is a cleaned-up version of Shrinking Sorceress — it could be anything from a sly reference to the site due to their similar themes to an uncomfortable coincidence.
"That's ridiculous. What would a walrus do with a magic bag?" Pokeamida
If it's a reference, then there's a chance that the creators were fans of the site, and Bleached Underpants is in effect here. But that's just speculation.
Shrinking Sorceress was owned by MANGA GRAPHIX (see the copyright notice on the Internet Archive page: http://web.archive.org/web/20010411183322/www.geocities.com/gotiger_1999/Sorc1.html
) as is Witch Girls Adventures (see their facebook page: http://www.myspace.com/mangagraphix )
This is not only Bleached Underpants, but the author or his friends/fans seem to be trying to hide it. This shows up any place the game gets talked about, someone points out the obvious followed by a small handful of people complaining that the game is being misrepresented and trying to edit the page (for wikis) into glowing praise.
Oh, and as a follow-up, Malcolm Harris author of WGA owns both Manga Graphix Corp and Channel M. So it's not even one one-man company licensing the product of another one-man company. See here: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Malcolm/Harris
I can only wonder why he spends so much time denying it.
Well, now that there's actual solid evidence being presented, I don't object to it being included. It's just that most previous citations were little more than rumor and innuendo — and often highly exaggerated compared to even the solid facts. (For instance, claims that virtually every adult character originated from The Shrinking Sorceress — there seems to be little evidence that the connection goes that deep, beyond the say-so of people who are condemning the game entirely, and thus aren't exactly reliable and unbiased sources.)
"That's ridiculous. What would a walrus do with a magic bag?" Pokeamida
Perky Goth
Is it just me, or was this wiki page originally thrown together by the people who loathe the setting and basically consider it a hellish dystopia where anyone not female is meaningless? Until some fans came in and started fleshing it out, it seemed to show a rather... lop-sided presentation of things.
"That's ridiculous. What would a walrus do with a magic bag?" Pokeamida Hide / Show Replies
I'm the one who made the page. I actually think the game is kind of cute and a good starter for the audience it's targeted at. (Minus a few elements.) Yes, I did find out about it through /tg/, and I do think this game's flaws need to be pointed out. (Yes, I did read the corebook.) This isn't Wikipedia. The articles don't have to be glowing or neutral praise for the works it discusses. But it seems to be leveling out now. So *shrug*
I apologize then for the misunderstanding.
"That's ridiculous. What would a walrus do with a magic bag?" Pokeamida
... I'd like to add that some of those "corrections" that were deleted recently-ish weren't even right, to hopefully stave off someone re-integrating them. For instance, the one on restoring from a pile of ash was flat-out wrong. The listed spells are explicitly examples of the sort of things you can do at that level (a la the Sphere levels in the World Of Darkness' Mage games), not the only capabilities, and restoring people from ash has been shown before in the comics — the first-ever Witch Girls story actually features Annabelle disintegrating another Witch Girl for a snide comment, then restoring her later when the ash-ified witch's roommate insists.
The one on Voodollars is also wrong. Mechanically, they're solely experience points and Allowance Points are used as currency, but the supplement on them establishes that they actually are the in-universe currency of magical society and Allowance Points are just an abstraction so you don't have to keep track of exact values of Voodollars or other relevant currency, similar to the Wealth stat in D20 Modern or the Resources background/merit in the World Of Darkness
Edited by 69.172.221.6 "That's ridiculous. What would a walrus do with a magic bag?" Pokeamida Hide / Show Replies