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Apr 26th 2018 at 7:30:17 PM •••

Under Take That: "Also towards Fan Fiction writers who'd take glee in tormenting fictional characters as some form of a Power Fantasy."

I don't want to delete this but this is unfair; this strikes as a low blow. Fictional characters by definition are not real or sentient, and the best writing comes from making characters suffer. (There's a reason why Game of Thrones is possible.) Also, most fan fiction writers are young people learning the ropes of word crafting. Daly's crime is that his victims are sentient, and he is a middle-aged man who created the ropes. Thoughts?

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Apr 29th 2018 at 10:54:54 PM •••

I don't know about the power fantasy thing, but I'm inclined to agree that it's not really equivalent — Daly torturing real people is much worse than making fictional characters suffer.

Feb 9th 2018 at 10:06:56 PM •••

Bringing this up for discussion:

  • No Celebrities Were Harmed: Daly bears an uncanny resemblance to Pixar co-founder John Lasseter, who also created a legendary company but had to leave due to women accusing him of improper behavior. Of course, Daly's misdeeds are much, much worse.

No Celebrities Were Harmed needs to be an unambiguous expy of an RL person. Judging from the description this seems more coincidental than anything (especially in the wake of all the sexual harassment allegations in Hollywood). Not to mention that the Lasseter scandal broke in late November 2017, which meant this would already have been fairly far in production. Are there any more conclusive sources for this? If not, I'll zap it.

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Feb 10th 2018 at 5:17:19 AM •••

Would agree. Without a Word of God, this is pure speculation. You could google for an answer. Otherwise, wait a week and and zap it.

Jan 7th 2018 at 4:54:55 AM •••

Is Daly an example of G.I.F.T.?

(there's a tl;dr at the bottom)

Gamer691 is an example, but someone then added the sub-bullet here (it has been edited since, this is the version I removed):

  • And, while not on the internet, there's some parallels between Daly's actions on the Callister and people who become jerks with the addition of anonymity on the internet. Given the opportunity to indulge himself he acts outright monstrous, small-minded, childish, and petty, while lording over others with his knowledge. Studies have also demonstrated that that anonymity on the internet can be attractive to narcissistic, psychopathic, and sadistic people who take pleasure in making others suffer - which is very much Daly.
It was added both on the character page and the recap page. I edited the entry on the character page to read as:
While the episode doesn't focus on his online behavior, there are massive parallels between Daly's actions on the Callister and people who become jerks with the addition of anonymity on the internet. Given the anonymity (or effective anonymity from him not respecting his crew's thought processes and the fact they're trapped so it doesn't matter how they view him), the opportunity to indulge himself, and an audience, (the digital clones of the crew, but also himself) he acts outright monstrous, small-minded, childish, and petty, while lording over others with his knowledge. Studies have also demonstrated that anonymity on the internet can be attractive to narcissistic, psychopathic, and sadistic people who take pleasure in making others suffer - which is very much Daly.
Which I think makes it more relevant, but I'm still not sure that Daly is a G.I.F.T. because of the fact that trope is exclusively internet anonymity creating assholes who wouldn't be assholes in real life, when clearly Daly doesn't care about anonymity (he is being an asshole not to internet strangers, but to clones of his coworkers who have genuine memories of him and are real enough through autonomy), and he's not so much being an asshole as he is just using an effective alternate dimension to become a kidnapper and torturer. He's made his own sci-fi torture dungeon, he's not just cursing at strangers on the internet because it's fun and with anonymity we can satisfy the human argumentative nature without losing friends. I also mentioned in an edit reason that the motivations are different (fun/attention vs self-aggrandising power trip and revenge torture) — it's like Daly sought out the internet in order to be a dick, not the internet allowed him to be one (which is G.I.F.T.), and that though similar their dick-enablers are different (anonymity vs self-granted god-like powers). I also don't think it's 'comparable if not accurate' because the Daly character isn't an analogue of internet jerkasses, but of entitled nerd culture. Also, the G.I.F.T. is a completely otherwise nice and normal person, when Daly is pretty much evidently a sociopath.

In short, no regular person on the internet has the ability to make everyone bend to their will, a G.I.F.T. is more likely to engage in argument, and it is the platform that makes them assholes, not the asshole making the platform. Daly is not even representing the internet jerk, so it can't even qualify as a shoehorn, and doesn't start as a "normal person", he's a sociopath.

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Jan 7th 2018 at 6:53:54 AM •••

Good point. Daly probably developed into a Jerkass in his mod over time as he noticed that he could get away with his dick moves every time. Nonetherless, the presence of clones is not the same as internet anonymity. I vote for cutting the entry.

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Jan 10th 2018 at 2:28:52 PM •••

That looks like it's skirting into real life, and at the very worst, it probably should be YMMV.

Based on how that's written, I also say zap it.

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