This simply can't apply to him. There's nothing designated about his villain-y, he most certainly is a villain. While this is an audience reaction, it's about the audience realizing "hey, he didn't actually do anything bad" which... Ward has done.
He can go under Unintentionally Sympathetic, but given the things he's done, he's most certainly a villain.
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Would Strawman Has a Point also count? It seems like it does. The showrunners were so desperate to make Ward completely unlikable and they failed miserably because their attempts at making him worst during Season 3 were so haphazard and unnatural that they came off as Character Derailment.
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Ward is not made out to be a strawman of any kind, ever.
And remember that there is a huge Broken Base over how sympathetic Ward is. You can't just claim that Ward suffered from Character Derailment definitively, because there are bound to be others that would beg to differ (indeed, I personally thought that it was a natural progression of his character, but that's my opinion).
Personally, I feel that the base is to far broken for Ward to be a definite anything but a Base-Breaking Character.
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Has killed multiple fellow agents and attempted to kill Fitzsimmons. Caused a commercial airliner to decompress and possibly crash just to do a Halo jump. Used a mentally unstable and brainwashed agent Kara to play out his white Knight fantasy leading to her death at his hands. Brutally tortured Bobbi to force her to attone for her betrayal, but shrugs off his acts as mistakes that were made.. Even his younger brother pointed out his habit of doing awful things and never taking responsibility. There was nothing designated about him, the show made it clear he was the villan because he was the bad guy
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I concede he's not Designated Villain or Protagonist-Centered Morality, but I will stick with my point on the show originally insisting undergoing Mind Screw by means of Garrett did not matter pertaining to everything Ward did was then completely flipped around because then they show Framework Ward being influenced by Hand had a far different impact on his actions.
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I don't know where your going with this. What you just said has literally nothing to do with what a Designated Villain is? A designated villain is when someone is marked as a villain with no reason. Ward is a villain for a reason, his choices and actions. Ward himself said he wasn't brain washed. He made a choice to run off with Garrett instead of accepting responsibility for attempted murder like his brother said. None the less, as per consensus and unless others join in the fact remains due to examples stated Grant Ward is not a DesignatedVillain. As final note, Frame Ward was not influenced by Hand, Frameward is an NPC given an artificial history to justify his character. Hand was in Administration not recruitment she did not go out recruiting agents. Still your seem not to get the point, consensus on both ATT and here means that Ward is not a Designated Villain. You seem primary on convincing me regarding something then applications of the trope itself. That's not what Discussion is about.
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I meant to say he's not Designated Villain either. Some kind of weird edit happened and I just fixed it. As I said on ATT, when I made the entries, it was years ago and I didn't have the best outlook on how exactly each trope worked back then. I'm better with that now.
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The consensus speaks otherwise, the trope itself speaks otherwise. He fits the criteria of the Villain then the trope applies. With all due respect you dont seem to be in discussion regarding that but to float theories on what the writers where trying to do. I think the consensus was correctly reached and the removal valid. If you want that changed you'll have to convince others and not me.
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I agree. He's not a DV (or PCM). Case closed.
I'm now referring to the other thread for discussion on the other point.
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Okay, this entry has problems with it. Namely it tries to make it look like Ward was treated unfairly in the show and shrugging off everything that he did.
Remember that even with his backstory, Ward is still an unrepentant murderer and traitor. He's given a chance to make a turn toward the end of Season 2, but refuses. He's still a villain no matter how you try to justify it.
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