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Lily either doesn't know or gaslight Anarchism as chaos.

Let's edit that in, ps Check out Kay and Skittles way better political essay on Korra, which is not Tankie thrash https://youtu.be/ModX151Ipgs

We don't trope creators like that. A page focused on a work might be suitable for such material.

Also who is the troper that made this entirely new page? Because I see the history, and the troper that made/edited this page also is the only troper to edit the Stockholm page. I just want to point that out, I will not edit either page.

What do you mean "we don't trope creators like that"? Mr enter has a wallbangers page so why is this page any different?

Mr Enter is better know for his video series. This page is a creator page so you can't make a Wall Banger pages for it.

I think I'm understanding the logic here, Mr Enter's wallbanger section are defiantly in relation to his work and his work alone, not for what he's done outside his work, while Lily Peet's page is only a creator page and discusses about Lily as a person here and there along with her work.

So then, I propose there should be a page made for her Glass of Water series and implement a wallbanger page there and make sure it only relates to that series (or for a new wallbanger page be made for Lily Peet and entries can only be about her work, including Go W, 3am Rambles, Minute series, lists, etc.)

While I get it'll be bad to directly insult the person, I think that having no way to criticize this bolt of controversy is not cool as there a lot of things one can criticize for her work (she's like a brony Movie Bob, and his Dethroning Moment page is still up, and they all talk about his work). It doesn't help that Lily is known to silence her detractors often, so there isn't too many areas where one can actually talk about issues with her work.

Though if the page won't be made, I understand, I won't try to make a new one, please don't suspend me again because I don't want to die...

On a side note, it looks like someone completely restored the YMMV page since the OP was written. Should that be taken care of?

The first entry (Acceptable Targets) looks like it's In-Universe, anyway.

The problem with the Wallbangers page was that, while Lily is not nearly as controversial as many people like to say she is (she goes after the safest targets in the book) she has a small number of very dedicated stalkers. The Wallbangers page was constantly being filled with things that either weren't true, were grossly misinterpreted, or in the case of one user making leaping conclusions (Lily saying Family Guy is better than South Park suddenly became Lily saying Family Guy can do no wrong). A Wallbangers entry cannot be based off false or inaccurate information and most of them were.

Lily is not known to silence her detractors, she has a strict approval system. This contention has already been covered under Base Breaker. People should be criticized, but the moderators separate highly subjective tropes from the main page for a reason. The Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment exists for a reason.

You want to criticize everything you don't like about Lily, perhaps your own blog or Youtube channel would be the place for that. Not everything in the world is an open message board.

No I'm not Lily. I've been a viewer for a while and I like using TV Tropes. This is what I mean when I say people have a nasty habit of making strange, leaping conclusions. And if I was biased to making Lily look as good as possible, I wouldn't have bothered adding a Wallbangers page in the first place. Or kept the entries that weren't blatantly made up. Or kept half the crap on the YMMV page.

Okay... I'll believe you. I mean, to make it subtle you're not biased towards someone, you leave in some of the more divisive things about a person. And honestly, the YMMV isn't as "nasty" as you may think it is. And it's not a strange leaping conclusion at all.

If all my history was dedicated to a Z-list You Tuber, let's say a "Mister Elaborate Person" who is a fan of Larry King, Assassin's Creed, and Pound Puppies, for years on end, then it's only logical you'd be bound to suspect something, like "who's this person working on pages about Mister Elaborate Person, and the things he likes, kinda odd ain't it? And this person also edits pages for AC, Larry King, and Pound Puppies, just what MEP likes, hmmmmmm..." You see what I mean?

Plus I see you edited your response, so who knows what you said earlier.

Thing is: Lily has nothing to gain by maintaining her own TV Tropes page. TV Tropes Administration follows the same line of thought she does that a website doesn't necessarily have to let it's users run around unchecked and unmoderated. If I wasn't removing poorly constructed, agenda-driven edits, somebody else inevitably would be.

Everybody got stupid agendas. I should know because I had one, and I got punished. I learned my lesson, and hopefully I won't fuck up. Either way, I'm impressed with your dedication and I will give you a thumbs up. Unless you are Lily and you're trying really hard to prove to me you aren't Lily, or a close friend of hers, then I will give you a disappointing head shake.

And if you aren't Lily, what are some things you don't agree with Lily on? There's gotta be something, you can't just agree with her 100% of the time, that's total dedication right there.

I don't agree with her 100%, but that doesn't matter. If I had a disagreement to make, I'd take it up with her. She's not exactly difficult to get ahold of.

You have passed my "not-Lily" test... unless you're secretly referring to her RVI era, or to video's she's not too fond of anymore, which would technically mean you don't 100% agree with her, which means there could still be a connection!

THAT! OR I'M GRASPING AT STRAWS!!

(most likely the latter)

Hey Al, wasn't it just one guy who was constantly adding his stuff back to the dethroning moment page?

There were a couple of people making one-time edits that featured fake or misrepresented information, one in particular was really adamant about them.

What I meant was that wasn't it one person who added back their edits, not a bunch of people adding back their edits?

Yes, but as a moderator above said: Creators aren't supposed to have Wallbanger pages in the first place. That was my mistake to make it.

Wait, than shouldn't josh's dethroning moment page be removed?

Yes. Put it on the Cut List.

Would like to suggest a few edits, hopefully none of them controversial.

Under Bias Steamroller:

• Comes down rather hard on any Last-Minute Hookup. Lily stated in a 2019 Q&A video that her favorite genre is romance, and wants to see other aspects of a relationship explored besides the build-up to the Relationship Upgrade.

Under Running Gag:

• In her "Disney Round-Up" videos, Lily always ends her brief review of each movie with a call to "add gay princesses."
• Invariably refers to any child character as a "precious babu," especially if the character is very young.

she's

So any thoughts on that?

IIRC, it's because that Starlight is a boring character that Lily has no interest in following any further. Not sure about Xain.

Despite how, at least according to Josh, Starlight has made significant improvement as a character since "No Second Prances". So really, I don't see the logic at all in why Lily would not give her another chance, or even check out any future episodes where she'll make an appearance.

Because, to me, having seen "No Second Prances" myself, I fail to grasp at the notion that Starlight is a "boring" character.

You'd have to ask her. But from the looks of it, she isn't even bothering with anything having to do with Starlight since The Crystalling.

Did you check the history?

I just did, and all the info I got was "None of this information needs to be here" which is debatable since I personally believe that more information is usually better and it will help any newcomers understand the content creator more. And since the person who edited it out is someone I can assume is not the creator, then really what power or authority does Alchorative have for the info I put be taken off? It's like if I were to take out the Melvin Brother of the Joker stuff from Doug Walker's pages since he considers it an old shame, or removing info of David Bowie's pages about his darker years in the 70s since it's somewhat uncomfortable. Even though I have no real authority to say "nope, you can't put that info there, the creator wouldn't like it I bet."

Bad sock, no wiki.

She likes Family Guy more than South Park, obviously. I don't see what is so difficult to understand about that.

What I have trouble understanding is how, she considers Family Guy to be a better show than South Park, despite many people knowing that objectively speaking, it really isn't that much superior to the latter.

One of you must be wrong, then. That's about it.

So, you're pretty much saying that folks like me, Doug Walker, and yes even Seth Macfarlane (though he doesn't like the show either, he's at least much more tolerant of it, given his response about the Cartoon Wars 2-parter at 2007 Comic Con), are wrong for thinking that both shows are actually of more or less equal quality?

She likes Family Guy better because it does being a low-brow comedy better than South Park does at being a thought-provoking satire.

So you're saying that she's right, and that anyone who thinks that South Park is a much better show, or is at least more tolerant of it, is wrong?

That's only what she thinks, I don't really have much of an opinion on either show.

It doesn't matter. You're the only one taking her opinion of South Park and Family Guy so personally. Obviously she thinks anybody who views South Park as superior is wrong, that's how opinions work. There's not really much to not understand here.