Discussion Characters / FrozenElsa

As you say, she does not show any romantic interest in any character, male or female, so the only subtext to point to homosexuality is her close relationship with her sister, which 1st, she's her sister, and 2nd, ew.

LGBTQ fanbase for Elsa aside, nothing in either film points to her being gay other than the coding present in Let It Go. For all we know, Elsa may be asexual and not feel romantic desire at all.

^ I agree with that, she definitely does not match the description of Ambigiously Gay, because nothing In-Universe indicates any sexual orientation, and that is a must for the trope. She does match the definition of Rainbow Lens, and is listed as an example there. That one is in the YMMV namespace and you can't list it on a character page, though.

A little late to the party, but no.

All alleged evidence is circumstantial, and outright Headcanon.

Having it be physical contact is a pretty weak limitation. Unless there's another trope for supernaturally reviewing local history it's the closest fit. It's not chronoscope because it isn't a machine or device but her physical proximity to a location.

If it makes any difference she had to touch the ground at her parent's boat to recreate what happened.

It seems like one of two defining parts of the trope: 1) physical touch 2) receiving information about whatever or whoever is being touched

The definition on the trope page is this: "Psychometry is a Psychic Power whereby a person receives visions upon physical contact, sometimes involuntarily." The page also specifically differentiates it from Dreaming of Times Gone By, a trope about similar visions but through dreams. (Which I believe is something Elsa does in the novelization, but I don't currently have a copy with me so I can't double-check.)

Elsa conjures the image of Agnarr being saved without touching anything, so it seems like her touching the ground at the boat was her being extra as usual... unless maybe Gale was helping that first time? Or maybe she wanted to make sure she was using water from the boat instead of the air to increase the chances it'd have the memory she was seeking? The movie's not clear why she does it then when she conjured memories without touch previously.

Even if there isn't a trope that's closer fit, that doesn't mean we need to squeeze what's going on into this one. But I think if we specify Tropes Are Flexible is applying in the entry and focus on the physical objects involved maybe it could work. As you said, her physical proximity does seem to be a factor, which is close. We could emphasize that part. How about this?

Psychometry: While she doesn't have to directly touch the water/ice involved, her powers allow her to make ice sculptures depicting past events of environments where she is by using the water there. This is explained in Frozen II as being because "water has memory".

Seems like too much of a stretch. Visions and physical contact seem to be the key requirements for Psychometry; Elsa doesn't receive visions and conjures memories without touch, at least the first time. Though the movie is not clear on how it works.

That's how the trope is defined but psychometry outside of its entry here, in general speculative fiction, is basically clairvoyance (retro or pre) guided or keyed to a present person, object or place. It doesn't need to strictly be by touching an object and like I said, that's a narrow definition. Psychometry can involve a place, as places are still things to draw history from.

Elsa can depict past events of a present location, that's psychometric regardless of her touching a memento.

It appears that it's generally considered a touch-based power outside of TV Tropes, too.

Maybe we can apply Tropes Are Flexible, but we should then rewrite the entry to make that clearer and emphasize the parts of the movie that seem to demonstrate the trope, with maybe using physical proximity as an approximation of the touch element.

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Also, you could argue her powers were touching it. It's an incredibly narrow restriction. Psychic or otherwise paranormal readings don't need to be touch based, proximity can work. The line of argument is awfully pedantic. Idk who put you in charge of it.

Sorry, it appears whichever bug is making backslashes appear before apostrophes in discussion pages is also affecting attempts to link anything, including trope pages. It was just a link to what pops up when you google "psychometry," both a google-provided definition and a bunch of links that say in the page previews that touch is a part of this particular trope.

As I said above, though, we can probably apply Tropes Are Flexible, though, by using the physical proximity that seems to be involved in the movie. The only definition I've found of the term that doesn't say touch is required is one that says it's touch or proximity. How does the rewrite above look?

I don't mind either way. I just wanted whatever that power development is up. It does seem pedantic to clarify she doesn't have to touch something, I think my entry was fine. She discovers she can use her powers to make ice sculptures depicting past events. It seems to be related to her role as the fifth spirit.

Although it's not related to the trope, the sequel does establish that all her ice powers come from being the supernatural half of fifth spirit. The sequel focuses on explaining why one sister is Randomly Gifted and one is not, and answers that they're meant to be the bridge between magic and humanity, the fifth spirit, as the product of the love between a Northuldran and an Arendellian.

Both quotes more or less repeat the same idea so it seems reasonable to cut one of them. As far as I understand, a voice actor's comment is a Word of Saint Paul, which is secondary to a Word of God, so maybe it's better to leave only the director's comment.