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laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
20th Apr, 2021 12:48:23 PM

I think it's a misuse of Values Dissonance, and as you say, natter-riffic. You could take it to the ROCEJ thread and see what the consensus might be.

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TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
20th Apr, 2021 01:14:43 PM

Will do. And I'll link this query as an additional courtesy.

RustBeard Since: Sep, 2016
20th Apr, 2021 01:35:40 PM

If the character's ideology is never stated (it's been a while since I read the story so I don't know) then the example is false.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
20th Apr, 2021 02:10:15 PM

In general, for a situation like this where one bullet is adding context a previous bullet lacks, I believe the best option is to combine it two entries per Repair, Don't Respond.

TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
20th Apr, 2021 02:19:21 PM

^In this case, the Repair, Don't Respond violation is one of the problems. The other is potential false information being shoved in. As Rust Beard noted, "If the character's idealogy is never stated [...] then the example is false."

I'm currently waiting on a response on the ROCEJ thread where I posted this entry.

Zuxtron (On A Trope Odyssey)
20th Apr, 2021 03:20:52 PM

^^ You combine the two entries if one is tacking on some extra information. If the nattery bullet point is contradicting the original, then the better solution would be to delete what's being contradicted, or perhaps the whole example (unless the natter is inaccurate).

Edited by Zuxtron
crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
21st Apr, 2021 09:05:44 AM

I think the whole thing should go. I'm reasonably confident that it wasn't supposed to be value-centric, with Deutscher being described as both "an iron man now, a man with guts" and as "an anti everything man". Even assuming that Deutscher and Keith don't change their political views, they're not being described as conservative/liberal but as opposites. It's pure mudslinging and Keith is supposed to appeal to whatever values you hold precious.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
21st Apr, 2021 09:15:29 AM

Removed, and I cited this query in the edit reason.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
21st Apr, 2021 12:14:09 PM

^^^ and ^^^^ Hence "in general"

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