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Well, you can't imply Values Dissonace, because YMMV can't be played with...
But, you can imply an age, and the audience can imply an age and then derive Values Dissonance from that...
Pretty long logic chain that needs a long explanation, I think.
Edited by Malady Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
I'd love to respond, but I can't read your wall of text.
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Well, I think the issue more seems to be that Jasmine is a Ms. Fanservice, and since the widely accepted theory here is that Jasmine is 15 (even though no official, credible source has ever actually confirmed this), that's where the purported Values Dissonance comes from. But Jasmine's official age seems to be more of a Vague Age than anything else, so, kind of like what you just said, we can't really say for sure whether it's a case of Values Dissonance or not. Would it be best to just delete it then?
Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?
If her age is never mentioned within canon, delete.
^ Seconded.
If the director himself explicitly said they made her older because he decided depicting a 15 year old getting married wasn't right that's a pretty good sign she's been aged-up to 18-20 for the final product rather than the 15 she was in the early concepts.
So cut anything that hinges on wrongly claiming she's 15 in the final work
^ It's why things like deleted scenes tend not to be great as sources... they're not just not in the movie, but the director actively made a choice to not have it.
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A while back, I deleted a Values Dissonance entry on Aladdin's YMMV page stating Princess Jasmine to be 15 years old, as I had stumbled across a piece of trivia on Jasmine's page on the Disney Wiki saying she was going to be fifteen and that the Sultan would say that she's got to be married by her sixteenth birthday in an early story concept for the movie, but Jeffery Katzenberg nixed it because he worried about sending the wrong message by showing a fifteen year old girl getting married. It then linked to a book titled Aladdin: The Making of an Animated Film, a book that talks about the movie's development, as its source. More recently, a fellow troper added a Fanon entry to the movie's YMMV page mentioning this exact information. However, Queen Of Swords just deleted it and re-added the Values Dissonance entry while linking to two articles as a source. One of which is a blog that says "although several of the princesses ages were never actually stated in the films, researchers have used aspects from the movies, interviews with members from the Disney corporation, and a general sense of how girls act at certain ages to compile enough data to at least guess at these ages"; from my point of view, this blog never provides any actual sources of their own to back up this claim apart from hearsay, and they even state that it's more of an estimation rather than a concrete answer. The other one links to a Buzzfeed article which itself links to the Disney Princess page on the Disney Wiki, stating that that's where their ages are found. However, I looked, and there's nothing there. Suffice it to say, I don't really consider these valid sources to back up the idea that Jasmine is 15, and I personally trust what a book, that talks about the movie's development and the people working on the movie while going into great detail about each of those things, has to say over what these people on the Internet have to say. I would delete the Values Dissonance example again and re-add fearlessnikki's Fanon entry, but I don't want to risk starting an Edit War.
Any thoughts?
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