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So shall I make a wiki talk thread then, as that ATT thread was inconclusive?
And can I safely cutlist the audience reactions?
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Bump.
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I don't see how there's any ambiguity. A roleplay that is private (invitation-only) should not be troped until/unless there is a publicly-viewable form released.
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With all due respect, the moderators posting in the thread didn't agree on that. Septimus Heap wrote that a Wiki Talk discussion would be necessary, since "it is arguable whether the work being visible to everybody is all that important in troping terms."
Personally, I agree with Fighteer that it doesn't make sense to trope a work that isn't public available, but since Septimus is of a different opinion...
Also, keep in mind I don't know if this is invitation-only, only that it can only be viewed by members. For all I know, it may simply be a matter of signing up for their board. The issue is I have no desire to sign up for their board for the sole purpose of seeing if I can.
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I checked. The result: Registration is disabled on this forum.
I see. Given that, I'm definitely adding the Audience Reaction pages to the cutlist, because there's no chance that those weren't added by people involved in the RP.
I'll refrain from cutlisting the page itself until I get mod consensus, but I am still more than happy to make a Wiki Talk thread to firmly establish precedent.
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I am not convinced that roleplayers are the same thing as authors - there is usually more than one of them and not all of them partake in the same storylines. The policy is "authors may not add YMMV items about their work" not "people involved in some aspect of a work may not add YMMV items about that work".
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Roleplayers may not necessarily be the same thing as authors, but realistically, I don't think there's much of a distinction.
Take the now-cut Nightmare Fuel and YMMV pages. If I recall correctly, most (if not all) examples were about the same character. And added by the same troper. Do you really think in your heart of hearts this isn't blatant Auto-Erotic Troping? Given how bad Roleplay/ generally is on this, I really don't see the point in cutting it further slack.
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I beg to differ on roleplayers as they are embedded in a more complicated thing than an author in a work.
Realistically, any roleplaying game is primarily troped by the players and we'd lose a lot of pages if we tried to enforce a rule against it. That's the real harm (we'd lose trope coverage that way), the examples being added by the wrong people or for the wrong motive isn't the real harm or even a harm at all.
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Which only emphasizes my belief that RPs are not tropable unless they are published as standalone works, like an after-action report. If people want to apply tropes to their own ongoing private gaming sessions, great. They just shouldn't do it on our site.
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^^ Yeah, losing RP pages seems like a feature, not a bug.
Okay, this is getting long and I'm going to open a Wiki Talk thread. The issues at hand seem to be as follows:
- Troping an RP that's invitation-only/completely closed to the public
- Troping an RP that's closed to the public unless you sign up for a board
- Whether RPers can add audience reactions for their own RP
- Unrelated to this example, but a huge issue with RP trope pages: Troping the Players and not the roles/devolving into Troper Tales.
Any other ones I should make sure to include?
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You should probably publicize such a discussion a bit, we have enough (poorly written, given the rampant Zero Context Examples) active roleplay(er)s and pages that any drastic change should be discussed with a wide audience, not just the Wiki Talk crowd.
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In that case, where should the thread be posted? And/or how would we publicize it?
Probably the roleplaying forum as that would be the area most impacted by a change.
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I'll make it in the Wiki talk forum, but I'll make a thread in the RP forum to inform them. I don't even think that area would be that impacted as ironically enough, I haven't seen a single Roleplay/ page for a TVT RP.
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I've seen plenty of them. You may encounter one of them during a wick cleanup.
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So I came across Roleplay.DC United We Stand (to be honest, I mostly clicked on the page because I was wondering if it was related to the MLS Team DC United).
The roleplay is behind a log-in page and doesn't seem to be viewed.
Given that it's therefore inaccessible to non-participants, would it be reasonable to cut the audience reaction pages given they had to have been done by someone involved in the work? And what does this mean in terms of having a page for something that isn't publicly viewable?