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Whoo, another pronoun debate. What is this, number 4 or 5?
Anyway, this one seems cut and dry. If it's not contradicted in the other endings, then I agree that the "bad ending" is still canon insofar as their gender is concerned, I can't imagine what about the ending would make a character any more or less trans unless it's making some sort of political statement, which I doubt is the case here. With no reason as to why the "flawless" ending would actually contradict the "bad" ending, She/Her pronouns is absolutely the way to go. (Plus it's sort of icky to suggest that the canon version would be the one where they're not explicitly trans, rather than the one where they are, especially if there's no reason why one is more canon than the other...)
That said, I suggest a wiki talk discussion for this; every other debate on this subject had one and this is the sort of thing that can get real long real fast.
And yeah, I know the real issue at hand is the edit war, but getting a consensus on the matter is necessary to avoid more debate in the future.
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As I said in a different query, I suspended WoeGoneBestowed for edit warring and reverted the page to how it was before they changed it.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
point: "trans" is an adjective, not a noun, and calling someone "a trans" is derogatory. "trans people" is the proper terminology.
no condemnation, just education. now you know.
considering the same in-game bio section also corrected testament's pronouns from he/him to they/them, it's safe to say bridget using she/her now is not a mistake and should be what we go with
Edited by NoUsername
Maybe we should really have a dedicated central thread for character gender identities now. First Yamato, then Snapdragon, and now this.
Don't forget the Toaster :P I wouldn't mind a central thread for these sort of questions, as long as each debate still gets enough attention before another question is asked.
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Agreed on having a recurring thread to discuss topics like these if they have come up often enough.
Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
Funny, Guilty Gear XX's discussion page is being used for this topic too.
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Oof, there's a long post there that just boils down to "not trans". I don't know the game enough to know if any of that holds water though, but I still maintain that there's something uncomfortable about insisting the supposed "non-trans" ending is more canon than the openly trans one unless there's some reason why that ending would be more canon overall.
Yeah, it's thread time.
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Yeesh, I didn't see the part where they said a transphobic slur.
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Let's not popcorn the discussion; while I agree that that bit is pretty bad (especially as they insist it's "def not a slur guys") and it hurts their overall credibility, we still need to focus on the matter at hand and we can do that more accurately in a proper discussion venue. Like the suggested "character pronoun and identity discussion" thread if anyone wants to make it.
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i mean i reported that guy, im not just gonna let a slur slide like that.
i hate this fucking discourse because it always brings out the worst people.
Oh, absolutely, I forgot those posts could be hollered but yeah I wasn't saying it should be ignored but I also didn't want this whole thread to turn into a bunch of people reacting to the posts on the discussion page and not actually, you know, resolving the debate. Threads like these have a hard enough time being on topic without going on a tangent about a slur someone said, you know?
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i definitely do not have the energy to make a thread tonight but if no one has done it before i have free time tomorrow i will take a crack at it.
I created the general discussion thread
. Move any discussion about this topic there.
Do we invite the people from the discussion page, or...? I mean I can completely understand not wanting the person to shout slurs at us and whine over identity politics, but at the same time they might have information that's important. I'll let everyone else make the call.
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let's hold off until the mods address the situation. the problem may be solved for us.
True.
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Not that it's the main topic, but can you please do something about Troper/Xython? They're still on their fucked up triad revolving around slurs
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Characters.GuiltyGearXX&id=139524#139524
^ You should either report their troublesome posts, or gather some evidence and start a new query.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
i made a new query.
Closing as a new query was made.
Macron's notes
So Guilty Gear -STRIVE- started out the second DLC wave by adding Bridget into the game yesterday-ish. And the major Character Development Bridget had in their Arcade Mode is that they decided to come out as transwoman. And because of that, a lot of entries about Bridget had been added or edited to take this in mind. And this is where the edit war begins:
- Woe Gone Bestowed did some
edits to
YMMV.Guilty Gear and YMMV.Guilty Gear Strive removing or editing entries about Bridget under the edit reason of "It's been confirmed to be the bad ending, the flawless ending reconfirms that he's a boy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ezv_xxOk
"
- Saturn 500 reverted the changes under the reason that "Bridget’s flawless ending actually doesn’t contradict the ending you get for being a failure."
- Woe Gone Bestowed then came back and reverted the reversion with no edit reason.
- Ayumi Chan tried to edit one of the changed entries, but Woe reverted that change.
The link provided by Woe is to a video that shows both/all versions of Bridget's Arcade Mode, one that is caused by losing a stock, and the other by playing flawlessly that leads to the True Final Boss of the story. While the "flawless" run doesn't outright say that Bridget's a transperson, it also doesn't necessarily contradict the normal run, going more of a "Be Yourself even if aren't who you 'want to be'". Also Bridget's in-game profiles does use she/her pronouns when talking about her likes and dislikes. Edited by TPPR10