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Not to mention contradict with Administrivia.Zero Context Example itself. "All tropes require context, even if they may seem self-explanatory."
That bit is added by Heavy Metal Hermit Crab on Sep 19th 2020. I sent him a PM to come to this thread.
Title Tropes have been controversial for a while; my honest opinion is that the ones that can't provide context shouldn't be tropes at all, but indexes. But that's something we need to discuss further, obviously.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
I guess if it's something like Ballad of X, the name itself is enough context.
That line is referring to title tropes like Ballad of X, Title of the Living Dead, The Noun Verber, etc. There's no real way to add context other than reiterate the title. If you can think of a way to further explain such tropes without it sounding incredibly condescending or incredibly silly, I'd like to see it.
I'm also just going to say that line wasn't even my idea; it's something I was told by multiple people so I included it.
Edited by HeavyMetalHermitCrab
^^ Yeah, that's why I agree with WayJay77 that they should be indexes. Just dropping the title on a page looks awful, and that doesn't do anything to explain what it does for the work. Even the description for Ballad of X looks more like an index than a trope.
Edited by Walkinshadows
I made a post here
to get some discussion going so we can hopefully take these issues to TRS one day.
I made a post here to get some discussion going so we can hopefully take these issues to TRS one day.
I actually mentioned in the ZCE thread before about whether Excited Show Title is full of ZCE and I tried to add context to my entry by explaining why the show puts on an excited appearance. So maybe we can fix some Title Tropes by emphasizing the meaning for the title when applicable.
Edited by mightymewtron I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Thing is, not every example will have that context. Sometimes it really only is just "a title has an exclamation point", and since the trope itself doesn't seem to require any special meaning...
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Agreed, that's why I said "some." Others can just be fun indexes.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
How to Write an Example claims a "select few Title Tropes" are exempt from needing context for some reason. Doesn't that violate the "people shouldn't have to go elsewhere for context" rule? It also doesn't say which tropes are exempt.