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That kid is hella talented.

Very good costume. Kudos to the kid.

So... Tomino just criticized Shinkai for not having enough sex in his works.

"He then went on to describe Shinkai's works as 'stories about a boy and a girl who are always stretching out their hands towards each other,' and said, 'And yet the boy's hand never reaches the girl's crotch.'"

Stay classy, Mr. Kill 'em All.

You gotta remember he called a magazine that published a lewd of Sayla Mass and his only complaint was they got the colour of her nipples wrong.

I thought they made that up for the manga.

If you’re talking about Gundam Sousei, that was one of the few incidents that was completely unaltered.

Apparently the article was edited to clarify some things, and his complaint is a lack of any emotional or physical payoff to a romantic arc. And while he said it in the most Tomino way possible, he has a point.

I can see that

Lol was about to post the link

It’s just funny how he chose to say it into the worst way possible

Your Name: 0/10, no pubic hair lockets.

Shinkai fails as a film maker.

Edited by DrPsyche on Oct 31st 2019 at 6:18:14 AM

Well its no big secret that Tomino is a bit of a perv, but I certainly do understand the sentiment of wanting to see a story that shows the development of an ongoing relationship, instead of simply ending at the relationship's onset.

Probably why Eureka Seven has my favorite romance in a shonen. The main couple(s) get together partway through (or even start together), and then it keeps going and they continue to grow and have trials to overcome.

More on Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Rebellion

• Big Zam Reborn wow what a wasted concept. Cool design and really interesting idea behind it as a symbol appropriated, but it just does absolutely nothing. Comes out for a few panels and then gets scrapped. Booo.
• Damn, Monsha saving Kou's life. Props. Good character moment. I like that he's just less of a douchebag in this one. Not completely sympathetic, but his really extreme moments like all of the sexual harassment got cut.
• It's a shame for how well the manga reworks so many of the characters and the timeline to make them flow better, that Admiral Wyatt still doesn't work. He's basically the guy in charge of the Feds and he just is kind of dumped into the narrative and the story bends over backwards to make him some evil corrupt douchebag but it really doesn't work. Threatening to expose the crimes of Zeon against Spacenoids to ruin their image isn't an evil plan. It's karma.
• Gato personally making the journey to the moon to pick up Kelly was a really good moment. Cool fight scene too, and just a really great way of reinforcing characterization all around.
• I like that Gato kind of remains a consistent presence in the story. In the OVA he's basically just there from after he steals the GP-02 to when he attacks Solomon. There's more to him here and he get's a lot of good moments. I don't like the relationship with Nina plot, but it's written a lot better here at least. And it's implied at the very start rather than just pulled out of the writer's ass at the end.

... The Zeon slaughtering their fellow spacenoids is some big secret?

This Zeon apology kick has gotten really stupid

Next thing they'll do is imply the colony drops weren't Zeon but an EVIL splinter faction that Zeon totally wiped out but tragically couldn't stop them in time

... its the equivalent of saying Japan didn't cause the Rape of Naking

Naking just descended into a debaucherous violet orgy on its own and Imperial Japan broke it up.

The gassing gets treatment like that. The people who gassed the colony are retconned into having been "tricked" into it. And the blame get's to be kept by a smaller group of people at the top.

Rebellion's just more explicit with that whereas Stardust Memory had it in the side materials.

Though it's kind of funny how that's done in universe to Axis Zeon by Char in CCA. Where he tries to chalk the atrocities committed purely to Haman and co as some kind of rogue element in order to make his Neo Zeon faction "pure". Which is funny because much of Neo Zeon II is made from Neo Zeon I. (Note: I'm not saying this is a bad thing. It's done from an inuniverse angle and it makes sense.)

Edited by DrPsyche on Nov 1st 2019 at 6:18:42 AM

Actually, Char's Neo Zeon seems to be almost entirely removed from Haman's Neo Zeon. Basically nothing from Haman's movement carries across to Char's — he has new mobile suits, new ships, new bases, new pilots, new goals, new everything. This makes sense, since Haman's Neo Zeon is at heart a Zabi loyalist movement, while Char's Neo Zeon casts the Zabis as he villains and harkens all the way back to Zeon Deikun.

Of course, Unicorn has the remnants of both factions working together as one happy Zeon family, but that's the least of Unicorn's sins when it comes to continuity with the rest of the UC timeline, so whatever.

Really? I thought that the left over factions from Axis joined up with him. The Wiki lists Illia as one of them.

I thought that both the Zeon Remants and the Sleeves were working together because of the whole common enemy thing.

After a point, anyone who wants to mess with the Federation will use the name Zeon and the factions become real hard to tell apart. Which could make for a good story, if you think about it.

Edited by Blueace on Nov 4th 2019 at 2:05:50 PM

I mean, that's basically what Narrative amounted to. The nation of Zeon was all "oh nah, those dastardly Neo Zeon are just meanies that have nothing to do with us. Toodles!" when they were... basically the armed forces of Zeon but they just said that for (im)plausible deniability.

I dunno, I think it'd be more accurate to say that the Zeon Republic's government would say that.

I doubt the Republic's civilian populace would like the idea of its armed forces dressing up as basically fake terrorists.

Did they ever firmly establish when in the UC timeline the last of the Zeon remnants flames out? I presume it was before F-91 and the fall of the Oldsmobile Army?

Originally that was basically the point of CCA, the definitive end of the Zeon conflict once and for all. Unicorn later extended that, and Narrative still further. I think the latest that any version of Zeon is depicted in the UC timeline is in the F90 manga, which has "Mars Zeon" (exactly what it sounds like), aka the Oldsmobile Army. They're eventually wiped out in UC 0122, prior to the events of F91 (which takes place in UC 0123).

I think most of the Zeon movements died around UC 100 when the Republic of Zeon ceased to be a semi-independent state.

The Oldsmobile folks were just the last holdouts, and even in-story I seem to recall spacenoids having no sympathy for the Oldsmobile, essentially saying "Give it a rest already, Zeon died out years ago!"

Not to mention Narrative I think retroactively makes the Sleeves nothing more than an elaborate False Flag Operation, so they're not really true Neo-Zeon.

I think that only applied to the "Sleeves" in Narrative. The ones in Unicorn were actual Neo-Zeon.

You say that like there's a difference between the two. The Unicorn Sleeves are the same as the NT Sleeves, they're both puppets of the Republic of Zeon. NT revealed that the Republic of Zeon was the Greater-Scope Villain of Unicorn, which makes sense as Full Frontal couldn't just appear fully formed, leaping out from Sazabi's forehead.

Okay, so just the rundown of various Zeon factions (animated canon):

• 0079: Principality of Zeon: OG bad guys. Becomes the Republic of Zeon after the war.
• 0080-0087: Various Zeon remnants, Titans formed to beat them up.
• 0087-88: Axis Zeon, which splits into
  • Haman's Neo Zeon
  • Glemy's Neo Zeon
• 0093: Char's Neo Zeon II, ideologically unrelated to the previous Neo Zeons.
• 0096: The Laplace Incident
  • Neo Zeon III (The Sleeves): Basically the military of the Republic of Zeon cosplaying as "Not the Military of the Republic of Zeon."
  • Zeon Remnants: Various former Zeon, likely also remnants of Neo Zeon I
• 0097: The Republic of Zeon is basically two Zeons:
  • The Sleeves still kicking around. This is where it's revealed that Full Frontal was a puppet and that the Republic was pulling his strings.
  • Mineva's faction, chilling in the Republic and sassing them. I'm counting them as a Zeon faction due to... well, everything about them other than being genocidal is pretty much Zeon, though a non-genocidal Zeon is tough to imagine.

Edited by Larkmarn on Nov 4th 2019 at 4:58:16 AM

This is part of why I like the Titans. They ended. They formed they fucked around, then most of their members were killed and all of the leadership died with them. By ZZ Yazan jumped ship and only a few politicians remained. Anyone with Earthnoid supremacy ideals just did something else. The Titans made a name for themselves and got the shit killed out of them.

Granted I'm not too keen on them going the Neo-Neo-Neo-Neo Zeon route in the supplementary material with the New Desides, Mars Zeon, Moon Gundam manga, etc. The Titans had their day. Let them die.