Avatar (James Cameron film)

So, did you guys heard this film got nominated for the best dramatic film at the Golden Globes even before release?

It was screened early for critics, which I would imagine includes the Golden Globes' judges. For reference, Puss in Boots: The Last Wish is also nominated, despite not being publicily released yet. That film also had limited early screenings.

I didn't hear about it, but... so?

Award famous for people being able to buy nominations nominates most expensive movie.

In other words, water is wet.

Not saying this means anything bad, I'm just saying this means absolutely nothing.

Perhaps, that is the true way of water.

Someone uploaded the entire first movie onto Twitter.

Ah, just like the good old bad old good days of youtube.

I heard the variable High Frame Rate in Avatar 2 made for an atrocious viewing experience… Has anyone here had issues with it?

Edited by Lyendith on Dec 15th 2022 at 4:58:49 PM

The best moments to pee during Avatar: The Way of Water, ranked

Given the film's 3+ hour runtime, it might be advisable to consult this (mostly) spoiler-free guide.

And below is my favorite little nugget:

Okay, that's a fun quote.

It was pretty.

If the first film was "Dances with Smurfs" is this film "Dances with Snorks"?

I feel like Blue Na'vi: Pandora Forever also works.

Just came out of the theater with my dad. My god, what a spectacle.

The money spent on this thing fucking shows. You get lost in the world and completely forget 90% of what you are seeing aint real.

Really enjoyed the family dynamic, and I can't help but wonder what will happen to Spider in future installments.

Kiri is probably my fave of the kids.

One thing I like about the sequel is that the villain Quaritch is actually given more depth and character development than in the previous film.

In the first film, the villains were all stock and flat. Some may say it makes them more "realistic" because real life have these kinds of asshole but really, it just makes them cannon fodder and I don't even remember most of their names. At least Quaritch has the potential to become a great, memorable cinema villain after his resurrection as a Na'vi. He really shows that he can adapt to Na'vi ways and still be on the side of humans. Plus he has a genuine soft spot for his son.

Just came back from the film. Jake Sully joins the Water Tribe. Not that Water tribe◊ Though it's odd the title could still be mistaken for an A:TLA film.

So that's why the chief's daughter Sully's son had the hots for reminded me of Princess Yue.

Did she turn into the moon?

That would be rough, buddy.

"It clearly had an impact."

When people said a impact it means the narrative imprit throught memes(the DNA of the soul) discussion about the story and all that, kinda like how Vader is still use as redemption 20 years later, kinda like how Terminator is still hold today. that sort of stuff

I will said the issue is aside of the story being so borderline bland, is that James cameron want this to be his high franchise but I feel there isnt enough material around? I mean I know the park, the movies and a videogame but aside of that.....what else is there?

I watched the movie yesterday, and I agree with many of the critics, the movie is beautiful, and in some points, it really overwhelms you about the beauty of the backgrounds, and the story is quite sad at times, especially at the end.

The few things I didn't like is how the humans outside Quaritch are quite cartoon-level evil and petty in their motivations. I understand the humans in the setting are trying to survive by any means, but the thing they do in the film doesn't had any sense, outside making you hating them.

I came out of the film yesterday thinking it had duel problems:

A 'Too many characters' problem where they couldn't give enough screentime to each individual one so when one or two dies, you don't feel anything, because you never got a chance to learn about them or care about them. When Weaver's character died in the first film, you at least had enough screentime with her to get to like her and know her as a person so that death could land harder. Here, if someone dies, you're like: wow, you were in like 2 scenes? They needed to scale back the primary players in the film so that each had their due time to develop, otherwise, cut back on the 60+ mins of action spectacle so we could get that time with these characters.

The second issue is not leaning hard into character motivations and inner conflicts. Like, the Jake Sully at the start of this film is not the one we ended up with at the end of the first film. Why was he so scared that he had to run away from with his family and hide instead of standing and fighting like before? Yes, the simple answer is: he has family now and kids, he must protect them. But I'd wish they went deeper into his feelings and thoughts on the matter. As for the humans, they do briefly touch on that their planet is dying and Pandora is to be the new home of their species, but we needed to see more desparation and more of their side of the conflict so they are not as one-dimensional as before. They are now a species bent on survival no matter what the cost. That should have been the angle to play instead of cookie-cutter bad people.

But overall yeah, it was pretty good, but doesn't exactly compare to the first film. It felt more like a stepping stone or a 'setup' film than anything else. A waystation as we move on to movies 3, 4 and 5.

Edited by Darkflamewolf on Dec 20th 2022 at 9:01:54 PM

The part I liked the most didn't even have anything to do with the main conflict. It was just when the kids were being kids. I liked all their relationships and dealing with moving to a new village and just being dumb from time to time. Okay, most of the time, now that I think about it.

I have to imagine a lot of the swearing the kids did was words they learned from their dad. They certainly learned a certain one finger gesture from him.

Oh, another thing that was odd in the finale that irked me: Once the final battle raged on and the dude's arm got sliced off and Sully's eldest son got shot. It's like the rest of the water tribe just vanished and disappeared from the battle. We didn't even get a single 10-20 second scene of them letting us know where or why they just simply left the battle at the end there, leaving Jake and his family to basically die. Maybe a simple one-off moment where the tribal leader told Sully: "Our part in this battle is over, we avenged our whales. They're after your family, the rest is up to you. This is your fight now." Something like that would have made their strange disappearance more palatible.

Edited by Darkflamewolf on Dec 21st 2022 at 9:39:43 PM

So, what can I say, a whole 13 years I refused to watch this movie.....but then my family basically forced me to watch Part 2 with them. Or rather, they bought the tickets in advance (we are watching it on Sunday) without asking me first.

So hey, I finally decided to watch Part 1. It was quite good I guess, but I really think that this is a movie made for the big screen, because on the small screen, the effects just aren't THAT overwhelming.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 21st 2022 at 10:11:54 AM

True, though I still enjoyed it on TV.