Why were fire-users shoe-horned here too?: Firemen Are Hot

This seems to have been a recent addition, since I'm certain that it used to be exclusively about firemen (as in the guys with the hoses who take out fires), and checking its YKTTW (see here) confirms this.

Permission to remove since they have nothing to do with the trope besides being related via bad pun?

edited 16th Oct '10 4:44:31 AM by Servbot

Wut. I vote remove.

Gah. Remove the section, or hunt down all the links, too? I vote remove, but I ain't goin' on no snipe hunt.

Remove

Hunt down the bad links and then remove. If you're going to clean it up, clean it up right. Leaving bad links in other articles will just bring the crap back. And yes, it needs to be cleaned — fire powers are Playing with Fire.

Um, perhaps renaming it to Firefighters Are Hot would help avoid the future confusion.

I don't see how. People could think it's a pun and it's about people fighting with fire being hot. I think we just need to have a clear note on the page.

Because the term nowadays is more commonly firefighter than fireman. It's about the association.

edited 16th Oct '10 10:06:32 AM by DragonQuestZ

It's pretty obvious on the page that it's being shoehorned in: "Hey guys, people who fight using fire are also hot too!! Here're examples!" down at the bottom after the real examples.

Except the trope is clearly about Firemen not Firefighters.

That's why we used the term Firemen.

*Record Needle Scratch*

Are you telling me that there aren't female firefighters?

Whether there are fire fighter women is irrelevant. Are they used is Fetish Fuel is the important question. If they are, then I think we could work them in.

There is no trope about female firefighters being hot, regardless of whether or not they are. That's what we're here for, right? Tropes? Have we forgotten?

edited 16th Oct '10 1:10:00 PM by Clarste

Are there any examples of firewomen(?) being portrayed as hot? Every example I know is male.

All woman are portrayed as hot due to Hollywood Homely, but female firefighters are not portrayed as notably hot in the way that male firefighters are.

Hence it's not relevant to the trope. When somebody does, it's time to update the trope.

Oh, I see, I misread your post. I agree it's not a trope.

Yeah, the Trope is about how women are all hot for Firemen.

Last I checked men are not particularly attracted to firefighter women- at least not anymore than they are to any other hot woman in uniform (and in fact I can't think of any firefighting women depicted as hot- compare that to the tropes for Hot Cop and Sexy Nurse.)

...

Wait, I think I do remember Home Improvement doing a joke about sexy firefighter women- but it was lampshaded as the deliberate inversion of the Firemen Are Hot trope.

Well still I think "Firefighter" would be better as the term is used more than "Firemen" now and the fact that Firemen are Hot could be "People on Fire are Hot" as in Wreathed in Flames.

edited 16th Oct '10 8:08:44 PM by Raso

Firefighter has the same issues. It could be people that fight with fire. And the trope isn't about firefighters being hot. It's about firemen being hot. Women aren't covered by the trope. And at least where I am, firemen is used far more than firefighters.

edited 16th Oct '10 8:12:43 PM by shimaspawn

1) The trope is specifically that men who fight fires are particularly sexy. Making the title gender-neutral renders it less accurate.

2) The common meaning of the word "Firemen" is clear, and the picture on top of that leaves no doubt what the trope is supposed to be. There's no misinterpretation going on, just stupid puns that should be chainsawed without mercy. No need to change the name on their account.

^^ Really? I have a brother who is a firefighter and they prefer Firefighter to Firemen by alot.

Must be a regional thing.

I just checked all the wicks, and from what I could see, all of them were about hot firemen (and one hot firetruck). Unless if someone just did a clean up, this was pretty much just a blatant case of someone wanting to shoehorn in their non-examples via pun rather than tropers making honest mistakes.

edited 16th Oct '10 10:22:29 PM by Servbot

I can only think of one example of female firefighters being used in this manner, actually, so leaving it as "Firemen" makes sense - even if it seems like a double standard.

If you're curious, it's waaaaay back in January of 2003 in Wapsi Square, when one of the characters is hired to do a calendar of female firefighters. Expecting "bimbos in firemen's helmets," she gets the real thing instead:

http://wapsisquare.com/comic/01132003/

edited 17th Oct '10 1:36:04 AM by BlackWolfe

Anyway, this one seems done. Lock request?