Pokémon General Thread

I'd also give Starmie and Gengar an honorable mention, solidly OU across all generations until they finally fell out in Gen VII.

Really, some of it can just be chalked up to survivorship bias. A lot of those older-generation Pokémon aren't bad, really, they just aren't as good as they used to be because newer Pokémon have eventually pushed them out of usage.

Starmie was also killed by power creep with many new special water attackers being faster and hitting harder while not having their BST have uselessly high stats they never use and rapid spin buff letting other things be better than Starmie at it.

Gengar seems like it fell a bit, but does keep himself close to being among the best competitively just not good enough anymore with the newest threats and no longer being immune to ground which makes it easier to kill already by most high tier mons

Edited by VengefulBale on Sep 20th 2021 at 12:57:01 PM

Losing Levitate was bullshit and did nothing to make Mega Gengar balanced.

Losing Mega Gengar did, though.

Not funny.

Well, I had a chuckle.

Mega Gengar's thing is that his ability (Shadow Tag) and his movepool made him a great perish trapper that could otherwise kill anything that dared to stay with it as Gengar since it had monstrous Special Attack and Speed that let him revenge kill almost anything in its sight. That's why he was considered too good for anything besides Ubers

Cursed Body is kind of a non-issue for moves in Competitive since there is unlikely a chance for PP to be wasted over and over and adding to Gengar's frailty and making it even less reliable of a switch-in hurt. It does have its uses but not as much as Gengar being able to freely switch into power Earthquake

Of course, it still is crazy strong but there are now better options for offensive ghosts.

Edited by VengefulBale on Sep 20th 2021 at 1:57:29 PM

So of the original gen 1 Pokemon who still does well in competitive?

Clefable, Dragonite, Slowbro, Zapdos and Mew are in the OU tier as of now (though for Clefable its due to the Fairy-retype that happened in Gen VI). Chansey, Gyarados, Moltres, and Nidoking seem to be doing well in the UU tier. Alakazam and Gengar are stuck in UUBL.

And of course, Mewtwo remains Mewtwo.

Had Mega Gengar gotten Cursed Body in gen VII, it may had gotten balanced. Shadow Tag is insanely powerful.

Shadow Tag is broken. It's why you never see Wobbuffett on NPC teams.

Wobbefut and Quagsire are proof that Derpy Ground/water types are boss.

Isn't Wobbuffet a Psychic type?

It is, yes.

Derpy water types then.

Perhaps you were thinking of Whiscash?

Arena Trap is also dangerous; trapping on entry is very powerful.

Theirs also Gastrodon

The best Water/Ground type is Swpamert.

Funny how Quagsire is so bad stats-wise yet so splashable in just about every single tier. It's like his Unaware ability made him unaware of Power Creep, Character Tiers, Olympus Mons and viability so he just goes everywhere he wants and somehow finds usage in every single competitive tier because there's always that one niche it fills

Quagsire is a friend and should be given nice poffen.

Clearly simple mathematics are too complicated for Quagsire's half a brain cell, so it doesn't know what those numbers do and doesn't act like it should.

I'm trying to think of a good name for a fan region based off the horn of Africa. Any ideas?

I think you should double post just so your question doesn't get lost