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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#60976: Apr 5th 2021 at 9:12:05 AM

Modern Warfare Institute podcast on Special Operations Forces in the High Nort‪h

In this episode, Col. Brian Rauen and Capt. Barrett Martin join to talk about the increasing importance of the Arctic. Col. Rauen is the commander of 10th Special Forces Group, and Capt. Martin is one of the officers assigned to the group. 10th Group has a particular focus on Europe, which means the unit has a natural organizational interest in the Arctic region. As you’ll hear our guests explain, though, that interest is growing. They discuss why that's the case, and they talk about some of the unique challenges posed by such an extreme environment.

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#60977: Apr 5th 2021 at 2:56:12 PM

I applied at 5 am and got vaccinated today at a university occupied by the US Army.

It was surreal seeing how all of the soldiers looked younger than me, and I'm only 23. If it weren't to their uniforms, they could be college first years or my classmates. I felt old being called "Sir" by an Army medic who probably enlisted at 18 fresh out of high school.

The soldiers weren't armed - they can only be if the Governor activates the National Guard like back in the summer of last year - so actual security was left to a small army of LAPD cops indeed with guns.

I'm assuming that Army units doing vaccinations are medical ones made of medics or corpsmen. Although I suppose you could train an average grunt to safely stick syringes in people and dispose of them in hour long courses.

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#60978: Apr 5th 2021 at 3:46:46 PM

Army was doing vaccinations at several sites in our area as well. I go in for my first one next week.

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#60979: Apr 5th 2021 at 5:17:25 PM

Heh, my country also has the military assisting vaccine distribution.

I remember seeing the sheer number and the strength of the armed forces escorting vaccine containing vehicles and thinking, man, I don't think even nuclear weapons get that much of priority.

Then again, I bet that currently vaccines are far more valuable and their loss far more devastating than nukes.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#60980: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:09:43 PM

One of my favorite bits of trivia about submarines...

One of my favorites is the story of the US subs Raton and the Ray, who in November of 1944 were both stalking the Japanese cruiser Kumano (Whose own story can best be described as "Doom Magnet") and positioned themselves on opposite sides of the cruiser before attacking. Raton went first and fired off six torpedoes. Kumano managed to avoid them by the skin of her teeth and they swam right past her... and right at the Ray.

A very startled Ray thankfully managed to avoid the friendly fire and get in some torpedoes of her own, actually hitting the Kumano this time. Can't help but wonder if they tossed off one more in the general direction of the Raton though.

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#60981: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:22:13 PM

There's also the US Navy's top scorer of the war, USS Tang, which sank a record 116,454 tonnes of Japanese shipping between February and October 1944. On the 25th of October, after a night of stalking Japanese freighters off the coast of Fujian, China, the Tang fired her last torpedo... which promptly circled back and hit her, punching a hole into her aft torpedo room.

Thirteen crewmembers managed to survive the fires and flooding inside the sinking sub and huddled together to don the experimental Momsen lung, which they managed to use to swim to the surface. Of these, five were rescued by a passing Japanese destroyer. Unfortunately for them, the destroyer was also carrying the surviving crewmembers from the freighters they'd sank the previous night, who gave them a thorough beat-down before they were taken ashore to spend the rest of the war as POWs.

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#60982: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:22:54 PM

[up][up]That makes me wonder if there ever has been a case of submarine ramming an enemy ship in a desperate, last-ditch attack and actually sinking it.

[up] That must've been the most awkward rescue ever. Also, considering how Imperial Japanese Navy treated its prisoners, getting beaten up was probably a luckier outcome. XP

Edited by dRoy on Apr 5th 2021 at 10:27:33 PM

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#60983: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:29:25 PM

Probably quite a few, but the first one to come to mind is the Finnish submarine Vetehinen, which on a night in November 1942 ran into the larger Soviet submarine ShCh-305 in the Gulf of Bothnia and, finding her target too close for a torpedo attack, immediately went to ramming speed.

Submarines are more fragile than surface warships for obvious reasons, so ramming was a widely-accepted anti-submarine tactic for surface warships that managed to catch a surfaced submarine at close range — at the very least, it would force the submarine to break off its attack and submerge, which would make it vulnerable to depth charges. The Titanic's sister ship, RMS Olympic, actually managed to sink a German submarine by ramming while ferrying British troops to the front in 1918.

Edited by eagleoftheninth on Apr 5th 2021 at 6:39:06 AM

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#60984: Apr 5th 2021 at 6:50:09 PM

Should've specified: I already knew that there has been plenty of cases where surface ships ramming the crap out of submarines.

I was wondering if there has ever been any cases of other-way around.

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#60985: Apr 6th 2021 at 4:22:21 AM

Something I saw a while ago (but was reportedly from last week IIRC) from Japan that the Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade (basically modern Japanese marines without the Imperial lineage) conducted its 16th training sessions and two women passed selection. A first with the ARDB. They have the rank of Sergeant First Class.

Edited by Ominae on Apr 6th 2021 at 4:22:32 AM

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#60986: Apr 6th 2021 at 8:50:02 AM

Stealthy Valkyrie Drone Uses Weapons Bay For First Time To Launch Smaller Drone

     Warzone - Thedrive.com | By Thomas Newdick April 5, 2021 

One of the U.S. Air Force’s XQ-58A Valkyrie stealthy, affordable unmanned aircraft has, for the first time, released a store from its internal payload bay. The latest test flight, the sixth for the Valkyrie, saw the payload bay doors open for the first time in flight, to drop one of the much smaller ALTIUS-600 drones.

The Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) announced the milestone test today, although it took place at the U.S. Army Yuma Proving Ground test range, Arizona, on March 26. The test was conducted by the Air Force, working together with Kratos, which produces the Valkyrie, and Area-I, responsible for the ALTIUS 600, which the Air Force describes as a small, unmanned aircraft system, or SUAS. On April 1, Anduril Industries announced it had bought Area-I, which would continue to operate under that name as a wholly-owned subsidiary.

More at the link above.

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#60987: Apr 6th 2021 at 9:42:44 AM

So I've come to realise it's usually a bad sign when a Globemaster flies past my window.

For reference, I live on the approach path to an airport that's used for CASEVAC flights to the major military hospital here.

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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#60988: Apr 6th 2021 at 9:49:48 AM

[up]Out of curiosity, what sort of bad sign?

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#60989: Apr 6th 2021 at 9:57:15 AM

Because it's likely to mean that someone's being MEDEVAC'd in from operations.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#60991: Apr 7th 2021 at 11:20:52 AM

I dunno. I prefer that over some Crouching Eagle Hidden Talon type names I've seen for other things....

Imca (Veteran)
#60992: Apr 7th 2021 at 2:22:14 PM

... shouldn't it just be the super eagle with every thing else.

eagleoftheninth Cringe but free from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#60993: Apr 7th 2021 at 2:55:19 PM

Some better names, off the top of my head:

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#60994: Apr 7th 2021 at 3:20:04 PM

Eagle Rick shouldn’t make me laugh

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#60995: Apr 7th 2021 at 5:10:09 PM

Neither should Eaglectric Boogaloo. [lol]

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#60996: Apr 7th 2021 at 7:40:24 PM

China builds advanced weapons systems using American chip technology.

    Article 
In a secretive military facility in southwest China, a supercomputer whirs away, simulating the heat and drag on hypersonic vehicles speeding through the atmosphere — missiles that could one day be aimed at a U.S. aircraft carrier or Taiwan, according to former U.S. officials and Western analysts.

The computer is powered by tiny chips designed by a Chinese firm called Phytium Technology using American software and built in the world’s most advanced chip factory in Taiwan, which hums with American precision machinery, say the analysts.

Phytium portrays itself as a commercial company aspiring to become a global chip giant like Intel. It does not publicize its connections to the research arms of the People’s Liberation Army.

The hypersonic test facility is located at the China Aerodynamics Research and Development Center (CARDC), which also obscures its military connections though it is run by a PLA major general, according to public documents, and the former officials and analysts, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.

Phytium’s partnership with CARDC offers a prime example of how China is quietly harnessing civilian technologies for strategic military purposes — with the help of American technology. The trade is not illegal but is a vital link in a global high-tech supply chain that is difficult to regulate because the same computer chips that could be used for a commercial data center can power a military supercomputer.

Hypersonics refers to a range of emerging technologies that can propel missiles at greater than five times the speed of sound and potentially evade current defenses.

The Trump administration was set to place Phytium and a handful of other Chinese companies on an export blacklist late last year, but ran out of time, according to former U.S. officials. Such a listing would block technology of American origin from flowing to those firms. And, experts say, it would slow the advance of China’s hypersonic weapons program, as well as other sophisticated weapons and more powerful surveillance capabilities.

The designation package now awaits Commerce Department action.

Phytium did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

American firms generally argue that export controls hurt their profits while encouraging China to send its business elsewhere and develop its own industries. But analysts note the United States’ policy is that American technology should not aid the Chinese military and that curtailing future progress by the PLA is worth the cost in lost business.

The Phytium case also spotlights the dilemma for Taiwan, a self-ruled liberal democracy perched strategically between the United States and China. Taiwan relies on Washington for defense against invasion by Beijing, which U.S. officials say is a growing risk. But Taiwan’s companies rely on the Chinese market, which accounts for 35 percent of Taiwan’s trade.

As tensions between China and the United States deepen, so too have questions over the proper limits for American and Taiwanese firms doing business with China.

Reaching the target in minutes

Semiconductors are the brains of modern electronics, enabling advances in everything from clean energy to quantum computing. They are now China’s top import, valued at more than $300 billion a year, and a major priority in China’s latest Five-Year Plan for national development.

In January 2019, Chinese President Xi Jinping visited Tianjin, 70 miles from Beijing and home to Phytium, and touted the company’s importance to the country’s “indigenous innovation” effort. Today, Phytium boasts it is “a leading independent core chip provider in China.” The company markets microprocessors for servers and video games, but its shareholders and main clients are the Chinese state and military, according to government records.

Phytium was founded in August 2014, according to business registration records in a public government database. It was created as a joint venture of the state-owned conglomerate China Electronic Corp. (CEC), the National Supercomputing Center in Tianjin, and the Tianjin municipal government, according to the records.

The national supercomputing center is a lab run by the National University of Defense Technology (NUDT), a premier military research institution whose current president and immediate past president were PLA generals.

In 2015, the Commerce Department placed both organizations on its trade blacklist list, for involvement in nuclear weapons activity, a designation that bars U.S. exports to the firms unless a waiver is obtained.

Phytium’s ownership has changed hands over the years, but its shareholders often have links to the PLA, records show.

“Phytium acts like an independent commercial company,” said Eric Lee, a research associate at the Project 2049 Institute, a Northern Virginia think tank focused on strategic Indo-Pacific issues. “Its executives wear civilian clothes, but they are mostly former military officers from NUDT.’’

In China’s rugged hinterland lies Mianyang, a city in southwest Sichuan province that is a center for research in nuclear weapons. It is also home to the country’s largest aerodynamics research complex: CARDC.

CARDC, which says it has 18 wind tunnels, is heavily involved in research on hypersonic weapons, according to former U.S. officials and U.S. and Australian researchers. Its director, Fan Zhaolin, is a major general, but he is pictured in civilian clothes on the center’s website.

The center has been on the U.S. trade blacklist — called the “entity list”— since 1999 for contributing to “the proliferation of missiles.” In 2016 Commerce further tightened restrictions on the facility.

CARDC, said Tai Ming Cheung, director of the University of California San Diego’s Institute on Global Conflict and Cooperation, is “a beating heart of Chinese hypersonic research and development.”

The research center and Fan did not respond to emails seeking comment.

China’s major investments in hypersonics is a major concern at the Pentagon.

“The only way to reliably see a hypersonic vehicle is from space, which makes it a challenge,” said Mark J. Lewis, until recently the Pentagon’s director of defense research and technology. If it is traveling at hypersonic speeds — going at least a mile per second — it gives a missile defense system very little time to figure out what it is and how to stop it, he said.

Hypersonics is a critical, emerging military technology, said Lewis, the executive director of the National Defense Industrial Association’s Emerging Technologies Institute. China could target Navy ships and air bases in the Pacific, he said, adding that a conventional cruise missile would take an hour or two to reach its target while a hypersonic missile could do so in minutes.

“It is a huge concern,” he said.

A million trillion calculations

In 2014, the U.S. Air Force released an unclassified report on the technology of air warfare that included hypersonics. “Anyone could pick up this document,” Lewis said. “Then we basically took our foot off the gas. There was no sense of hurry, of alacrity.”

Meanwhile, the Chinese read the American research. Their scientists began showing up at U.S. conferences. They started investing. “They saw that hypersonics could give them a military advantage,” Lewis said. “And they acted.”

China, unlike the United States, has fielded a hypersonic weapon: a medium-range hypersonic glide vehicle.

Hundreds to thousands of different configurations of heat, vehicle lift and atmospheric drag need to be analyzed to make a hypersonic missile work, which would be too expensive and time-consuming through physical testing alone, said Iain Boyd, Director of the Center for National Security Initiatives at the University of Colorado, Boulder. “If you didn’t have supercomputers it could take a decade,’’ he said.

In May 2016, CARDC unveiled a “petascale” supercomputer that would aid the aerodynamic design of hypersonic missiles and other aircraft. A petascale computer can handle one trillion calculations per second.

In 2018 and 2019, CARDC scientists published papers showcasing their supercomputer and noting their calculations were done with Phytium’s 1500 and 2000 series chips, though the papers do not discuss research on hypersonic weapons.

CARDC, Phytium, the military university and the Tianjin supercomputing lab are currently developing an even faster computer — able to handle “exascale” speeds of a million trillion calculations per second. The supercomputer, dubbed Tianhe-3, is powered by Phytium’s 2000 series chips, according to Chinese state media.

To produce such chips, Phytium requires the newest design tools.

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#60997: Apr 7th 2021 at 7:53:19 PM

[up] Nothing new - China's PLA and the CCP both have ties to tech firms that either spied or outright bough US tech.

Motorola gave help the the PLA by designing a bus for the Iridium satellites - they'd use China's Long March rockets to put up 5 birds at a time. Welp someone at the DOD took one look at that setup and damn near had a heart attack because it was pretty much the same as a MIRV bus. Now the PLA has MIRV technology.

There were a few other high profile cases - ITT inc was caught selling NVG and laser tech to Russia and China - so this has been going on for a while.

Edited by TairaMai on Apr 7th 2021 at 8:58:45 AM

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#60998: Apr 8th 2021 at 1:13:22 AM

A stupid, WWI question.

Would a small sized, but highly mobile and well-trained special force units like Navy SEAL have been useful to America during the WWI?

I'm guessing not, because back then the U.S. didn't have the strategic infrastructures that would have made any kind of special forces effective in any circumstances, like specialized methods to insert/extract operators.

Edited by dRoy on Apr 8th 2021 at 5:13:35 PM

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#60999: Apr 8th 2021 at 4:48:24 AM

The US could have used them don't think we had anything as elaborate as the other powers at the time. There are other examples though. Look up T.E. Lawrence for example. There were several units that specialized in infiltration and raiding of enemy lines, especially at night. The Italian Arditi are probably one of the better examples.

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#61000: Apr 8th 2021 at 7:00:52 AM

Huh.

I do know about T.E. Lawrence (I even watched the movie) but never thought of him and his troupe as a bunch of special operators. Interesting.

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