During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Selene and Mother Brain, abstain on Nichols.
Nichols is now at 7-8 ups and 3 downs.
I’m at the re-release of Batman 1989 now.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on May 4th 2019 at 10:49:36 AM
The wifi here sucks
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I think that may be enough for a write up.
Also having skimmed All Star it turns out joker does a decent bit in it. He has a hitman kill the parents of Dick Grayson, age twelve, and the corrupt cops on his payroll nearly kill Vicki Vale and Dick Grayson, age twelve, in order to let the hitman get away, he later kills a woman he just had sex with and likely attacked Catwoman off panel leaving her heavily injured.
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Gentle Laborer
Selene and Mother Brain
Goku Black
I dunno doesn't Batman burn cops to death in that book and force Dick Grayson, Age 12 to eat rats.
Like IN not sure we need to include stuff from there in the write-up where you can argue Batman is worse
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The wifi here sucks
I'm just listing everything he's done in case anyone wants to include it.
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Goku Black
Uh doesnt the main page need at least three valid tropes otherwise it will be cut though.
Also hey I have a new profile pic. Who do you think it is?
Edited by miraculous on May 4th 2019 at 10:56:35 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Didn't know that was a rule; Age said he'd work on it eventually.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Yes. Yes it is.
So to avoid us having to remake it becuase it got cutlisted. Lets at least add three now. I think Overarching Villain for lucius would satsisfy one.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
@miraculous Is it from Dresden Files :P Just saying....
Anyways, in the future. I'm gonna revisit some older writeups of mine. There are some that I'm happy with but there are some that I'm not. Might need help for tidying up though. It's not a rewrite for the sake of rewrite, I have my personal reasons for revisiting it.
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Goku Black
Nope. Its John Taylor from Nightside.
Harry wears black clothes usually well john goes for white.
Edited by miraculous on May 4th 2019 at 11:10:45 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
How do you feel about this pic
◊ of Envy from the 2003 anime?
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on May 4th 2019 at 11:43:14 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
That pic...I'd be fine with it.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Poor quality and a single murder isn't that heinous by FMA standards.
Goku Black
Do you have a better quality pic. Its really blurry.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I'll try and find one.
Edit: Is this
◊ better?
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on May 4th 2019 at 12:24:27 PM
That pic looks good.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
to the Pic.
Still no. I wouldn't be against an image cleanup because a lot of those pics are just killing/threatening one persone.
Good to know you guys approve for the most part.
Speaking of images, the Master Darque pic
◊ on the Image Links page seems to have gone missing. When I click on it, I get an HTTP 404 error.
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on May 4th 2019 at 12:33:58 PM
Goku Black
Much better. .
Also I discovered the trope Creepy Uncle which refers to uncleds with a creepy and/or rapey obessesion with there nieces or nephews. Im sure that will come in handy here.
Edited by miraculous on May 4th 2019 at 12:47:55 PM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
"The Juice is Loose."
hmm...should fix the Darque one. Envy one's fine, IMO
