During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Cyclops O'Keefe and Metran.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Eh, Metran. Seems he does enough with what he has (just wish they gave him a reason for hating Fionavar, but whatever).
to Metran.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Oh, MGD, please add Soraya to the drafts page. It looks pretty good; I'll play around with it and see if I can't condense it even more.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Cyclops and Metran
Wild Child
Metran.
edited 30th Jul '16 3:10:34 PM by Clown-Face
Why so serious?
Lizzid people!
Cyclops and Metran
Wow, that's a lot of pages gone by. I miss anything?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
More discussion of Rowan; some more candidates; the usual. But yeah, it goes FAST (there needs to be a way to have more than 25 posts/page; in fact, I just made that wish to the wishlist). ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
Oh yeah: I added more detail for Belarios.
edited 30th Jul '16 3:02:24 PM by ACW
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Messenger from another dimension.
Cyclops and Metran.
I am in the middle of watching a Russian animated film, The Adventures Of Prince Vladmir. I think I found a candidate. Once I am done with the movie, I will effort-post him (unless he has redeeming qualities that the movie didn't show yet). I recommend the movie; it is really good and it is on youtube with English subs.
edited 30th Jul '16 3:01:50 PM by emperors
Welcome to the world of greatest media!
for Cyclops.
For some reason that seems particularly horrific and revolting to me. Something to do with the lack of anything approaching a reason to leave the bomb active. Not only is it an attempt to kill millions of people it is also to specifically emotionally torture the guy that he coerced into letting him go.
After mulling over it, I think I'm going to conclusively say no to Rowan. Anyways, yes to Cyclops and Metran.
Now that I'm giving it more thought I'm going to have to change my vote to ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
as things he has done were quickly undone and failed the heinous standard compared to the other villains in the franchise
1.The Grundel has corrupted children into doing heinous things and even put one into an I Must Scream situation for 10 years
2.Pied Piper not only plagued the city with ghosts, but also hypnotized all the children in the city to try and drown themselves
as for Cyclops and Metran, I'll give both of them a
edited 30th Jul '16 3:18:34 PM by G-Editor
The Ghostbusters reboot movie has not been shown to be in continuity with the two Ghostbusters Cartoons(in fact, it seems to definitely be unrelated). There's no use in comparing it to unrelated materials as they aren't within canon of each other.
Of course, if someone thinks he doesn't hit the base heinous standard, that's different. But there's 3 different continuities so far. Ghostbusters Movie Version 1(the first two movies), Ghostbusters Movie Version 2(the reboot), and the 2 Cartoons. All 3 continuities have nothing to do with each other beyond naming schemes here and there.
Okay, and there's that other weird cartoon/live action show that simply has the name Ghostbusters, but has zero relations to the regular Franchise in general. XD
edited 30th Jul '16 3:23:09 PM by Irene
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Different continuities though. Just like how, say, Baron Strucker counts in the comics, but not in the MCU. Same name, all Marvel, different universes. What said.
edited 30th Jul '16 3:21:43 PM by ACW
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Even though I'm still tentative, I'm holding on my for Rowan.
It's kind of possible that answer the call (the new Ghostbusters) could still be in the same continuity as the other movies, but until there's confirmation, we have to treat it separately.
edited 30th Jul '16 3:31:50 PM by futuremoviewriter
Lizzid people!
That is true.
Okay Soraya's up.
I think I'm going to have to abstain on Rowan. I don't think I can vote either way with any confidence without seeing the movie myself. And honestly as much as love Kristen Wigg and Kate McKinnon, I'm not going to make an effort to see that movie.
edited 30th Jul '16 3:43:35 PM by MGD107
to Rowan. to Cyclops and Metran.
For everyone's convenience, Rowan is now at 15-15.
Does one goofy scene that doesn't really effect Rowan's threat level and isn't even in the main movie really disqualify him? I don't know but it just seems like a weak argument to disqualify him. I personally don't see him like Robotnik although admittedly I haven't watched either series so I can't be certain.
Lizzid people!
Especially if the scene didn't go exactly like detailed.
Yeah, the scene in the movie proper plays out as him messing with the police in a sadistic way, and then he simply stops to go after the Ghostbusters. They still keep him threatening during it, as he's in total control.
The credits is just more of a bonus, where they're actually doing Thriller. Likely a deleted scene, but deleted scenes don't affect the final movie anyway. They're essentially ideas that aren't in the final canon product, so...
