The Legend Of Zelda - General Thread

I view it roughly as Hylia is to Gandalf, as the trio are to the Valar. Which I guess puts Demise as somewhere between Melkor and Sauron.

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Though with the Oracles, how distant they stay gets kinda iffy.

Sure, it predates the thing with Hylia reincarnating as Zelda, but I'm not sure if I buy that there are three random girls all named after the most important goddesses in the Zelda cosmology.

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Imagine Veran possessing a Goddess in mortal form and not realizing it.

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Except that there are lots of trios named after the Golden Goddesses—granted, usually with some variation. Eldin, Lanayru, and Faron show up twice; Dinraal, Naydra, and Farosh are another.

The Valar (including God of Evil Melkor/Morgoth) are the most powerful gods/archangels under Eru Ilúvatar, the Top God. The Maiar, which include Gandalf and the other wizards, as well as Sauron, can be considered lesser angels or demigods.

For a good overview of how both the LOTR and Zelda deities fit together, I’ll point to their respective entries at Divine Delegation.

There are a lot of entities that are referred to as gods throughout the series. The Deku Tree, Jabu-Jabu, Valoo, Zephos and Cyclos, the spirits of light in TP, the dragons in SS, all the flying whales, probably some others. The only thing that's notably different about Hylia is that she seems to be above all those other entities in power and importance, since the dragons and Levias treat her like a superior, but she's below the three creator goddesses.

Edited by KuroBaraHime on Jul 13th 2021 at 2:57:18 PM

I don't think there's really a contradiction here:

• The Legend of Zelda tells you Ganon seized the Triforce of Power, and Princess Zelda split the Triforce of Courage in eight parts so a chosen hero could assemble them and challenge Ganon.
• The Adventure of Link tells you that there's a third Triforce, whose virtue is Courage. Link embarks on a journey to find it and prove himself worth the sacred relic.
• A Link to the Past tells you that Ganon claimed the full Triforce and his granted wish was to corrupt the Golden Realm. Thus, Link has to travel across two dimensions to defeat Ganon and claim the Triforce to wish the reversion of Ganon's action.
• Ocarina of Time tells you that the Triforce was created by three Goddesses: Farore, Din and Nayru. And when someone who is imbalanced touches the Triforce, they only get the fragment that is most associated with them and the other two are granted to those who excel at their respective virtues. This explains why the Triforce was already split in the NES games.
• Oracle of Ages and Seasons tells you about three Oracles who are named after the Goddesses, but of course they're not the Goddesses themselves.
• Skyward Sword tells you that a Goddess names Hylia sought to protect the humans from Demise's army, and since gods cannot use the Triforce she gave away her divinity to use it and seal Demise himself. Basically, Hylia isn't replacing the three primary Goddesses. She's playing a different role that is still consistent with the established lore. This also explains why there's a lake named after her in several games in the series.

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That was already explained in the manual for Adventure of Link. A previous king of Hyrule deliberately split the Triforce of Courage from the other pieces and hid it away because he didn't trust his son with the whole Triforce.

In the first game it's actually the Triforce of Wisdom that Link assembles.

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But the Triforces of Power and Wisdom were still together, no? Ganon would otherwise have managed to seize both of them in the first game if it wasn't for OOT's explanation on the virtues' balance.

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The manual for the original game is way too vague to make that assumption. As far we know the Triforces of Power and Wisdom could have been separated enough that Ganon could grab Power while Zelda split up Wisdom, or it could be that Zelda split up Wisdom and then Ganon took Power before she could do the same to it.

The Triforce splitting due someone with an unbalanced heart also makes a lot more sense if the Triforce is all together. If it's just two pieces then it's technically already out of balance and I would assume you could just take them like how you could take the other two once you have one piece.

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I always think of Hylia as the Athena to the Golden Goddesses Zeus.

Speaking of early manual stuff, in the first game, Link does not exist until the player creates him.

"Link, the hero of the Legend of Zelda, does not yet exist. You create Link by first registering your player name. You may create a total of three different Link characters."

In all the timelines where I never made a Link, poor Impa was done for! (She was in the manual too.)

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 13th 2021 at 5:47:47 AM

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"A princess is never late, Link, nor is she ever early. She gets kidnapped precisely when she means to."

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Well, she does usually only get kidnapped right when Link is strong enough to storm Ganon's castle and save her.

So maybe you have a point there.

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Double post because I was looking through Ganon's page on this very wiki, and I saw this:

This is the first I've heard of this. Where was it said exactly?

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Hyrule Historia raises the possiblity that he was an alter-ego of Ganon like Agahnim or at the very least working for Ganon. It doesn't state anything with certainty, though.

Edited by Perseus on Jul 13th 2021 at 8:26:57 PM

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Funnily enough, the original NES game had Link as a Christian. Had a cross on his shield and one of the items was explicitly a Bible.

It's actually unclear whether or not Aganhaim was really a separate individual from Ganon.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 13th 2021 at 5:29:05 AM

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So, I looked, when you defeat Agahnim in Ganon's Tower, he falls over and Ganon pops out of him, then turns into a bat flies off to the zigurat.

Yeah, but that could either mean he was Aganhaim, or was just possessing him and leaving his body killed him Professor Quirrell-style.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 13th 2021 at 5:33:54 AM

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From what I understand, Agahnim is a lesser split copy of Ganon that manages to get through the cracks of the Sages' Seal. He only has a fraction of Ganon's power and thus needs the Seven Maidens to break the seal so that the rest of Ganon can get through.

That.

The precise term that Ganon uses to refer to Agahnim in Japanese is also used elsewhere in the series to describe the clones created by a boss's Doppelgänger Attack.

Edited by Perseus on Jul 13th 2021 at 10:52:27 PM

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This has intrigued me for awhile. D'you suppose the Triforce (and the three Golden Goddesses) was a reference to the Trinity?

The series as a whole has developed a strange blend of Eastern and Western culture.

Edited by scionofgrace on Jul 13th 2021 at 6:01:11 AM

The games were originally conceived as a retelling of King Arthur. The sword in the stone is the most obvious element, but a "Holy Grail"-type artifact, a few minor Christian elements, and Link's humble origins are all related.

Honestly, it's surprising that Link has never turned out to be secretly royal. I'm not complaining, it just seems odd that the series never went in that direction considering the source material.

Christian elements persisted in official artwork as far as ALTTP. It’s the page image for Earth Drift.