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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

    Examples 
  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#7651: Jul 14th 2023 at 3:23:38 AM

papyru and 41: Please add the rewrites to the Drafts.

Drax: I was planning to create the page this weekend. Atlantis had a quote possibility.

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Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#7652: Jul 14th 2023 at 4:01:43 AM

Why are we referring to the Ace Attorney character as Shinn instead of Brett in the rewrite? The original writeup for her looks fine as it is.

Yes to Charlie Baker's expansion and I think we might have to settle with Atlantis' quote if no other quotes come by. (It's not the most fitting quote for the trope but I don't object)

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
TheWrongOne41 A nice swimmer from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A nice swimmer
#7653: Jul 14th 2023 at 4:03:08 AM

Asa Shinn is her true name. She's often recognized by both.

Due to unfortunate events, i will continue to exist until further notice.
Mediamagician Since: Jul, 2023
#7654: Jul 14th 2023 at 4:07:07 AM

It's pretty much the same thing that was done with Yuuki Terumi's writeup, it helps make the entry more accurate.

Edited by Mediamagician on Jul 14th 2023 at 4:12:50 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#7655: Jul 14th 2023 at 5:42:01 AM

So everyone okay with this?

Edited by ACW on Jul 14th 2023 at 8:42:16 AM

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Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#7656: Jul 14th 2023 at 6:38:22 AM

I get the Shinn/Brett naming part, but whatever.

I'm alright with the Novelization header split for Marvel Literature. (but you can cut the "folderized" word in the !! markup)

Edited by Draxterrus on Jul 14th 2023 at 9:39:17 PM

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#7657: Jul 14th 2023 at 7:00:58 AM

The Brett rewrite looks great, Wrong!

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#7658: Jul 14th 2023 at 7:53:25 AM

Baker and Brett rewrites work, nice job guys!

Just gonna remove the fan work quotes and then I'll get to the next batch.

Edited by WetFlannels on Jul 14th 2023 at 3:53:48 PM

Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#7660: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:05:42 AM

Aight here's for Animated Films, surprisingly not that many, the majority are strong quotes IMO.

     Quotes 

Joker: [strikes Robin with crowbar] What hurts more? A? Or B? Forehand? Or backhand?
[puts his ear to Robin's face]
Joker: A little louder, lamb chop. I think you may have a collapsed lung. That always impedes the oratory.
[Robin spits in his face]
Joker: Now, that was rude. The first boy blunder had some manners. I suppose I'm going to have to teach you a lesson so you can better follow in his footsteps. Nah, I'm just gonna keep beating you with this crowbar.
— Batman: Under the Red Hood

Compared to the other quote of this Joker which greatly captures the trope IMO, this one is lacking to me? Can go either way though.


"All my life, you told me that the world was a dark, cruel place. But now I see that the only thing dark and cruel about it is people like you!"
— Quasimodo to Judge Claude Frollo, The Hunchback of Notre Dame (Disney)

"You're very evil Frollo", when describing someone about their evilness I think it works well to include why they're evil, rather than just stating they're evil. I'm leaning cut.


Owlman: After all, what good is a bomb if you don't detonate it?
Superwoman: You never had any intention of using the QED for blackmail. You're going to use it to kill everybody.
Owlman: What if I am?
Superwoman: Just tell me. Why?
Owlman: Why not?
—>— Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths

Now in context, Owlman literally means everybody, every universe, every single life form to be wiped out. Out of context though there's not an oomph? Can go either way though.


Scar: Sarabi!
Sarabi: Yes, Scar?
Scar: Where is your hunting party? They're not doing their job.
Sarabi: Scar, there is no food. The herds have moved on.
Scar: No! You're just not looking hard enough!
Sarabi: It's over. There is nothing left. We have only one choice. We must leave Pride Rock.
Scar: We're not going anywhere!
Sarabi: Then, you have sentenced us to death!
Scar: Then, so be it!
Sarabi: You can't do that!
Scar: I'm the king, I can do whatever I want!
Sarabi: If you were half the king Mufasa was...
Scar: [strikes her] I'm ten times the king Mufasa was!
— The Lion King (1994)

It's incredibly back and forth, I'm fine with dialogue exchanges for quotes but this seems too much. Can go either way though.

Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#7661: Jul 14th 2023 at 8:10:17 AM

I like the Owlman quote and would want it to stay but I don’t care either way for the others

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
ASghhrv6ub Best Smile from Second star to the right. Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Best Smile
#7663: Jul 14th 2023 at 10:03:28 AM

Pehaps we could trim Scar's down to something like this:

Sarabi: Then, you have sentenced us to death!
Scar: Then, so be it!
Sarabi: You can't do that!
Scar: I'm the king, I can do whatever I want!

Though I get it if lacks oomph worded like this.

I am the one, I am the one, the godlike terror train, superior artificial brain, feel free to call me Blaine
Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#7664: Jul 14th 2023 at 10:05:20 AM

Fine with the Joker and Owlman quotes, the others can go and I don't think the truncated Scar quote works either

Actually a video of the scene where Joker is beating Robin would probably work better

Edited by Agentofchaos on Jul 14th 2023 at 1:06:12 PM

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Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#7665: Jul 14th 2023 at 10:55:27 AM

Does Scar still count? IIRC The Lion Guard reveals he was corrupted by mystical cobra venom. The only reason Kion wasn't corrupted was because of The Power of Friendship, and even then it was touch-and-go.

Edited by Arawn999 on Jul 14th 2023 at 10:55:42 AM

EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#7666: Jul 14th 2023 at 10:58:57 AM

Venom isn’t exacly true Coruption. It simply makes infecte more supsecible to anger and maybe lossening their morals. Nevertheles show makes it clear Scar chose to become monster, plus fact that he is still evil as spirit probably helps.

papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The wifi here sucks
#7667: Jul 14th 2023 at 11:01:15 AM

[up][up]From what I remember, he was trying to overthrow Mufasa even before he was corrupted, which the thread agreed showed he was always evil.

Not quite feeling the Joker one myself since it relies on text explaining the character's actions, I could go either way with the owlman one but the other ones should be cut.

Edited by papyru30 on Jul 14th 2023 at 12:01:29 PM

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MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018
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Mediamagician Since: Jul, 2023
#7669: Jul 14th 2023 at 11:49:13 AM

Keep Scar.

BTW although I am still getting information together for it I have my own cut proposal to make soon if it's alright.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#7670: Jul 14th 2023 at 12:00:36 PM

Sounds interesting. Curious to who it is.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#7671: Jul 14th 2023 at 12:01:58 PM

Keep scar.

I like the owlman quote. But cut the rest.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Mediamagician Since: Jul, 2023
#7672: Jul 14th 2023 at 1:44:11 PM

Alright, so I played through both all of STASIS and STASIS: BONE TOTEM recently and found all the secrets and everything. I think Dr. Malan might need to be cut.

Bear in mind he's still a horrible person, but in BONE TOTEM there's a (really hard to find) secret log that details the super soldier creation process that Dr. Malan was working on. Most of it has nothing that's an issue but then a Cayne Corporation executive says this:

"Dr. Malan is demanding that because of his contributions to our work that we acknowledge him as a genius, the sole person who deserves credit, and claims that we owe him and should allow him to use what we've found to cure his daughter's cancer.

That bastard won't get anything he wants."

It's super brief but I am pretty sure unless I somehow missed something this is a cut.

Far as I can tell I am one of the very few people to have found all of BONE TOTEM's secrets as well.

Edited by Mediamagician on Jul 14th 2023 at 1:48:15 AM

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EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#7675: Jul 14th 2023 at 2:21:24 PM

Super random, but cut nonetheles.


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