Needs Help: Seasonal Rot

Is the waiting period going to be discussed here or the No Recent Examples cleanup?

I'd say Dork Age should wait until the age is widely agreed to have passed, as Age means it's just a bad moment and if it never recovers it's Jumped the Shark which is in-universe only because in part it's also prone to knee-jerk.

Otherwise I'd say wait for two works/seasons/story arc as applicable as something longer than just one bad installment is what would separate it from Seasonal Rot and Sequelitis.

We'll vote on the waiting periods in this thread after this crowner finishes.

Update: Dork Age has already been given a waiting period in the "No Recent Examples Please" cleanup thread, of five years.

I removed Dork Age from the crowner per what you said.

When it comes to a waiting period, Seasonal Rot could just need the work to actually end to qualify... though the recent trend of once-thought to be long-cancelled works to get Uncancelled might complicate that.

I've seen tropes with a similar knee-jerk reaction problem be given a two-week wait, to allow for more people to see it, and a general consensus to form. That might work for Sequelitis, though Seasonal Rot would probably require a longer wait. How does six months after the season ends sound?

So, based on the suggestions, would we have these choices of waiting periods? Both Seasonal Rot and Sequelitis would be evaluated separately, and one of them wouldn't be an option for the latter.

1. After the series ends (would only be an option for Seasonal Rot)

2. Two weeks (after the series ends for Seasonal Rot, and after the work's release for Sequelitis)

3. Six months (after the series ends for Seasonal Rot, and after the work's release for Sequelitis)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 18th 2021 at 6:41:59 AM

Those six five crowner options are good with me.

Edited by Tabs on Dec 18th 2021 at 3:04:19 AM

Quick clarity question, when the crowner says "series" in the Seasonal Rot options, is it referring to a series in the UK sense of the word, or the US sense of the word? Because if it's the latter, then it could be problematic for long-running shows that just refuse to end.

I didn't know there was a difference, so if the wording I used caused ambiguity, then I apologize for that. I probably should have said "episodic work" instead of "series" because the former was the intended definition.

I feel like for long-runners that are still going, it should be five years after the season has ended, otherwise we'd never be able to judge some examples like The Simpsons. That's why I added another option.

I think 2 weeks for both tropes would be ok, but maybe the 6 months waiting period could be useful for the works that cause a lot of controversy, such as The Last of Us and the sort.

I'll hold off on calling the crowner since a new option was added.

Edit: I'll go ahead and post a new bulletin on ATT.

Edit: Bulletin posted.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 21st 2021 at 10:47:13 AM

Why make a new option when the suggestion was merely an Obvious Rule Patch for a hole in an already existing suggestion?

The original option has too many votes to just change it.

I suppose we could just call the crowner and run another one to decide whether to append Seasonal Rot's time limit with what was suggested.

Yeah, much as I disagree with the "series end" idea, since people have already voted for it, changing it at this time would be pretty manipulative (even if it's not meant to be).

Maybe some of the examples for ongoing series on Seasonal Rot can be punted to Franchise Zombie? And the individual examples to Dork Age or something? IDK. Feels like most Seasonal Rot examples are for works that don't end, which is why the seasons get worse reception as time passes.

Personally I really, really hate recency clauses for series in general. It's harder to enforce than movies, especially with the revival fever sweeping Hollywood. Feels like nothing's able to stay dead. I know the crowner already voted, and I won't fight it, but I personally think this is drastic.

...though I do wonder why "six months after the season has ended" wasn't an option for Seasonal Rot. Or like... anything that only applies to the season. It is a trope addressing specific seasons after all. Why is everything about the series ending? Never mind the confusion addressed before with some Brits since "series" refers to "season" over there.

Or maybe I got lost because maybe that's actually Dork Age that describes specific seasons. I lost track of this thread among the several other threads I follow.

Edited by mightymewtron on Dec 21st 2021 at 7:36:03 AM

I'm tempted to call Sequelitis's waiting period and just run a completely new crowner for Seasonal Rot, based on what's come up since this crowner was hooked..

I concur with that. Sequelitis seems to be at a consensus, but the Seasonal Rot options inadvertently ran afoul of the American/Commonwealth divide, so I think the pragmatic thing to do is restart the Seasonal Rot portion of the crowner with less ambiguous wording.

First can we double check the definition? If Seasonal Rot is a dip in quality then we can focus more on each specific season as our cutoff point. If it's gradual then we can focus on the show as a whole.

No rush. Seasonal Rot's waiting period does seem less clear-cut than the ones for Dork Age and Sequelitis.

The two weeks one got downvoted, so it's probably not worth rerunning, but I believe the options that haven't been ruled out already are "Five years after the season ends, or six months after the show ends, whichever's first" and "Six months after the season ends". If anyone has any other wait time ideas, feel free.

Edited by Infitroper on Dec 21st 2021 at 11:15:56 AM