Needs Help: Seasonal Rot

taking your statement for granted, I believe we should impose waiting period for Dork Age.

I'm surprised there isn't one already. Actually, if it hasn't already been done, I think Sequelitis and Seasonal Rot would benefit from a waiting period as well. Probably not to the extent of Dork Age, but just long enough to allow a general consensus to form.

Edited by Infitroper on Nov 4th 2021 at 8:22:36 AM

couldn't agree more

Bump. What's the progress so far?

I would support a waiting period on Dork Age and Seasonal Rot. Probably a thing that can be crownered, though we can't make them since the system is undergoing an overhaul.

"Crownered"? What kind of a word is that?

It's a past tense verb meaning that we had a crowner.

Ah. At this point, do we have a crowner yet?

We had a crowner. You can see it down below. The current discussion is about if the works need a wait limit, and that might need a crowner, but it also might not.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 16th 2021 at 6:39:21 AM

The same person who wrote the Cartoon Network Dork Age entry that I originally deleted put it back in. I deleted it again, explaining that since it's less than a year old it doesn't qualify. But I think this shows that we desperately need to come up with a specific "wait period" to declare a Dork Age, otherwise this will keep on happening. Going off the Cartoon Network example, many of their new shows announced in the past year have not yet aired, so it is premature to declare that the network is in a new prolonged period of low quality.

We really need to put our collective foot down about this, because if there is no set standard for what constitutes a "Dork Age"— how long a period of low quality or popularity needs to last to be considered one—the page then becomes a venue for petty complaining. Anyone can declare a TV network to be in a Dork Age once it starts airing shows they don't like, after all. We need higher standards than that.

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Nov 19th 2021 at 11:14:59 AM

I'm in favour of the idea that a Dork Age needs to end first to make it qualify, since otherwise it opens things up to just complaining about any new developments, a problem both pages have had for a while.

Edited by harryhenry on Nov 20th 2021 at 8:00:20 AM

I agree. And I would argue not only that, but there need to be more specific guidelines on how we define a Dork Age. All I know is that I can't keep removing this stuff from the Cartoon Network section.

Moreover, the stuff they wrote felt really complain-y, like they were just venting their personal frustrations with the network instead of actually observing any verifiable decline in quality or popularity. I posted it a while back if you want to see what I mean.

I honestly think if that guy tries to put it back in again, there needs to be some consequence for it.

Edited by ElSquibbonator on Nov 19th 2021 at 2:04:10 PM

Well, judging by One-Hit Wonder and Two-Hit Wonder, five years might be a good amount of time to more objectively measure whether the popularity of a work has clearly declined during a specific timeframe.

Five years sounds doable. In the meantime, someone had better keep an eye on the main page, to make sure that what I deleted doesn't get put back in.

5 years from when it started or ended? Because that's a huge difference, plus I can think of a couple franchises (e.g. Mario Party) where everyone was bemoaning the direction for years before the course-correction.

From when it started. If you recall, the reason I'm so concerned about this is that there's a guy who seems thoroughly convinced that CEO Tom Ascheim has brought Cartoon Network into a new Dork Age, despite only a year having passed since he took that position. That is far too little time to truly conclude that the network is in a prolonged period of poor quality.

If we were to look again, five years from now, and see that the network's quality has consistently become worse, then yes, I would say that is grounds for calling it a Dork Age. But we are not there yet.

We're aiming to make Dork Age about popularity anyway, not quality.

@Karxrida I'm going to go with after it began for 5 years, besides sometimes the popularity drop never ends. If it was after it ended, I would go for 2 years instead, since I feel 5 years might be a bit too much if we focus on the ending.

Edited by JustaUsername on Nov 22nd 2021 at 2:39:17 AM

it's been 3 weeks. Are there any updates?

I don't have anything else to add. Since we seem pretty unanimous about adding wait periods, the only thing really left would be to get an official mod ruling or a crowner to decide how long the wait periods should be.

I'll make a crowner after looking back to see the time periods suggested.

Edit: Actually, we should probably start with a crowner to decide whether to have a wait period to begin with.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 12th 2021 at 12:02:54 PM

Should Dork Age also be on the crowner, since it's been discussed as a trope with similar problems to the two since the thread began? Or does that need its own thread?

Edited by harryhenry on Dec 13th 2021 at 8:14:09 AM

I agree with a merge/addition for Dork Age.

I added Dork Age. I didn't see that it had a "This trope is being discussed on TRS" banner (which links to this thread; Sequelitis has one as well) until you mentioned it, so thanks for letting me know.

If the new crowner option doesn't catch up with the other two (in terms of vote count, not necessarily ratio) within a day or two, I'll probably post another bulletin.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 13th 2021 at 7:47:39 AM