Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
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Great, thank you - I'll make a start on this (bear with me on timings; this is a pretty big task, what with the amount of pages that will need new redirects).
Edit - 14 & 15 now merged. Will tackle 2 & 3 tomorrow. I did consider K9 and Romana too, but on further inspection, those pages represent multiple incarnations of these characters, and are therefore not a true CSP.
Edited by lexii on Feb 15th 2024 at 11:15:29 AM
The Formatter
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I don't know as it wasn't discussed anywhere I can find. It should be moved back in my opinion.
Edited by Bullman on Feb 13th 2024 at 6:02:05 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
The Formatter
I’m going to ping ~Iridener, as they did the move.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
The Moron
I'm willing to swear we've had this problem with Iridener before.
The Formatter
If I do the moves back, would that be considered a edit war?
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
I wouldn't have thought so, as you're helping out as a member of this project, and you've sense-checked here beforehand ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Edited by lexii on Feb 14th 2024 at 2:35:52 PM
The Formatter
Deadpool has been returned to X-Men Film Series: Deadpool, and all the links are fixed.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Well done mate.
In the Limbus Company character pages, Nepeta split the main Sinners page off into 12 individual character pages to address an overly long page warning. However, currently none of the characters have byte counts long enough to justify their own page with the stated rules. Should these be reverted and split off some other way?
- Yi Sang (17,825 bytes)
- Faust (28,224 bytes)
- Don Quixote (26,421 bytes)
- Ryōshū (19,770 bytes)
- Meursault (19,669 bytes)
- Hong Lu (19,055 bytes)
- Heathcliff (25,354 bytes)
- Ishmael (28,910 bytes)
- Rodion (17,992 bytes)
- Emil Sinclair (30,589 bytes)
- Outis (22,791 bytes)
- Gregor (26,685 bytes)
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Revert them back.
He/Him
Revert them
~Nepeta please consult this thread first before splitting off characters into their own pages.
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
Revert all of them
Revert all of them, and @Nepeta you should simply split the characters in half numerically to resolve any page size issues before splitting characters into lots of mini pages.
Edited by lexii on Feb 15th 2024 at 11:07:50 AM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Was this discussed anywhere:
Star Wars – Asajj Ventress (41,397 bytes)
It is big enough but her original page Star Wars – Dathomir is now only 66,391 bytes without her. Should we keep her separate or is the OG page to small to justify the split?
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
I do not believe it was discussed by the user in question when I went and checked for any discussions. But if you want my answer I would say pull the page itself and add it back in. If her page gets longer in the future then I would say she would get her own page in my eyes considering the byte size.
Alright I'm back. Scarface now has a byte count of 100,103 bytes, and Tony Montana has a byte count of 45,386. Is that good enough? Or is there more work to do? Maybe we split the page up and work from there?
Edited by Bluedeadredemption on Feb 15th 2024 at 7:10:06 AM
The Doctor Who – Revival Series Companions is 188,169 bytes long. I’m trying to thing of ways we can make it shorter. If we put Amy and Rory’s folders together. And call it Doctor Who - The Ponds it’ll cut down 58,029 bytes from that page and there’s plenty to be said in a folder of them as a couple. I think that’s the best course of action to make the base page easier to edit
Edited by Furygildeman on Feb 15th 2024 at 7:52:05 AM
He/Him
The page isn't showing the "too long" suggestion yet, but when it does, split Tony's Empire first before giving Tony his own page.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Feb 16th 2024 at 1:29:00 AM
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
How much longer is too long? Or long enough? How many (more or in general) bytes should it have?
Adam's folder from Hazbin Hotel: Heaven has 60,715 bytes. The page in total currently has 145,715 bytes.
Absolute Rainbow & the tales between worlds
Did it show "too long" warning yet?
He/Him
Not yet, so I don't recommend splitting yet.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Feb 16th 2024 at 6:44:47 PM
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation project
It's not to the point of actually being too long so I would not say it should be split in my eyes.
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I'd be fine with merging 2 & 3 and 14 & 15 into two seperate character pages.
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