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#5801: Jun 14th 2023 at 5:03:00 PM

Yeah it was the second reboot.

Funny enough, the first of the second reboot is the highest selling Tomb Raider game.

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#5802: Jun 14th 2023 at 5:21:41 PM

After the shitshow that was Angel of Darkness, I'm not surprised.

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#5803: Jun 14th 2023 at 6:05:41 PM

A lot of Japanese companies do that, where they seem to expect their attempts to go Western to do frankly insane numbers.

Capcom and Konami did it like five times each, because they kept outsourcing to (mostly) small European developers and somehow expecting that to be the secret to getting huge international sales. Only really worked once and even then, it was still in the realm of “huh, those are pretty good numbers” and not “GIANT MONSTER HIT”.

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#5804: Jun 18th 2023 at 9:15:54 AM

Wowhead: Diablo Immortal becomes 15th fastest mobile game to generate $500 million

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Edited by Resileafs on Jun 18th 2023 at 12:16:02 PM

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#5805: Jun 18th 2023 at 9:55:47 AM

as a gacha player...ban all gacha and gacha adjacent games. Its nothing but a mistake.

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#5807: Jun 18th 2023 at 11:58:21 AM

Yeah it was the second reboot.
Wait, was that Tomb Raider: Legend or Tomb Raider (2013)?

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#5808: Jun 18th 2023 at 11:59:58 AM

2013

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#5809: Jun 23rd 2023 at 2:04:08 AM

So a while back, there was a discussion over Saudi Arabia banning FF XVI over it having gay content while some tried to argue it was because of heterosexual nudity.

Turns out there actually IS a gay character. Who actually has an on-camera kiss with his male lover.

The character in question being Dion.

I knew it! [lol]

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#5810: Jun 23rd 2023 at 11:05:22 AM

Kudos to Square I guess for sticking to their guns and not bending to the whim of fascists.

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#5811: Jun 23rd 2023 at 2:26:37 PM

Between this, and Sony also refusing to back down when it came to trans imagery in Spider-Verse, it's bizarre how multimillion companies are standing up for this kind of thing.

Either way, glad there's something like this for Pride Month.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 23rd 2023 at 5:40:14 PM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#5812: Jun 23rd 2023 at 2:44:32 PM

Very funny that once again the Bahamut representative is the gay one, after XIII was utterly dripping with subtext about Bahamut's champion Fang being an item with Vanille.

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#5813: Jun 23rd 2023 at 2:49:54 PM

[up][up] I think it's straight up that Saudi Arabia is not a reliable market for anything in the entertainment sphere. It has a low population and the Middle East in general is difficult to market anything to and has a ton of random things that'll get prominent people calling out whatever new thing comes out. So it's easier to just not pay attention to it because catering to the Middle Eastern market means alienating almost everywhere else.

Saudi Arabia has been super ban-happy for decades now, to the point that no one cares about making them happy by censoring anything on the production end because they'll just ban it anyway.

Edited by Zendervai on Jun 23rd 2023 at 5:58:01 AM

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#5814: Jun 23rd 2023 at 2:58:43 PM

Its odd Saudi Arabia investors are becoming bigger parts of the gaming industry with investments or outright owning majorities but are so conservative, a good chunk of games they help produce is banned.

Thank goodness that companies or Arabia themselves are forcing the toning of progressive values in the product down, though I think the latter will try one day when they get more influence.

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:00:36 AM

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#5815: Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:01:55 PM

[up][up][up] I'm seeing some people in the fandom pushing for Bahamut to be some kind of LGBTQ+ icon in the FF Fandoms.

[up][up] Interesting observation.

[up] That too, the crown wants the country to be a gaming hub yet entertainment and censorship are not a good combo.

I have some friends in Saudi who are really annoyed at the Government for banning the game.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 23rd 2023 at 6:03:42 PM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#5816: Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:02:04 PM

Yeah, the notoriously centrist Disney had no problem jettisoning the Saudi audience over its opposition to the fairly flimsy gay content in Doctor Strange 2 and Eternals. It's a demographic they can easily afford to lose.

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#5817: Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:03:12 PM

[up] On that note, I'm reminded of how Disney cut a lesbian kiss in Rise of Skywalker for Singapore.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 23rd 2023 at 6:03:23 PM

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#5818: Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:12:54 PM

Guess Singapore is a bigger market as Arabia to not risk losing.

Funny that Islamic majority countries like Indonesia or Pakistan havent banned the game either. Guess its because games are for personal use

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:14:50 AM

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#5819: Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:16:47 PM

Singapore also only occasionally demands certain small cuts for their own market. They don't say a thing about the versions for other markets. Saudi Arabia tends to demand cuts at the source.

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#5820: Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:17:43 PM

Overall, corporations are motivated very strongly by profit rather than altruism, though I would say one should consider it not mutually exclusive.

With businesses I'd say ideology should be thought of less as their goals and more the worldview that acts as a lens when shaping strategy.

A "progressive" company is one that sees the LGBT movement as something that's clearly here to stay, a demographic they can profit off of, and something they can use to create good press for their company. This isn't pure grift but it's not like they're activists.

Overall, I would say that they're not terribly reliable but they can be helpful from time to time.

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#5821: Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:20:51 PM

I think companies realize the demands of people to censor the games wont even play the games ever. Probably because they are ragebaited by youtube commentators or think its already “tainted” or something.

Except when its government heads banning it from a market, which is dick move though the market wasnt that worth jt if you got to put so many concessions that wreck the vitality of your product.

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jun 23rd 2023 at 3:24:57 AM

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#5822: Jun 23rd 2023 at 4:24:25 PM

[up]Also, the size of the market matters. By which I mean China.

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#5823: Jun 23rd 2023 at 4:34:21 PM

China market is kinda screwed now ever since they basically put the parental timer on any game. They had potential to be a giant market but not did the CCP shoot the audience but the devs so hard, many are trying to move HQ elsewhere.

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jun 23rd 2023 at 4:34:43 AM

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#5824: Jun 24th 2023 at 12:06:29 PM

Its odd Saudi Arabia investors are becoming bigger parts of the gaming industry with investments or outright owning majorities but are so conservative, a good chunk of games they help produce is banned.

Money talks.

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