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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#4276: Nov 1st 2022 at 4:38:29 AM

"Exposure"...<snerk>

But honestly, about what I expect from them.

Edited by M84 on Nov 1st 2022 at 7:39:05 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#4277: Nov 1st 2022 at 4:44:12 AM

Going off Musk's proclivities with sharing other people's content cropped on Twitter, I expect this would be a new Tesla-specific version with any developer logos removed and nothing else changed. Exposure as in "being left out in the cold," after all.

Edited by RedSavant on Nov 1st 2022 at 4:45:17 AM

It's been fun.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#4278: Nov 1st 2022 at 5:25:29 AM

Tesla aside, the practice of getting people to work for exposure rather than money in the video game industry is deplorable.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#4279: Nov 1st 2022 at 5:33:55 AM

Tesla apparently thought a "small-time" indie developer would be glad to put their game in their cars for free. As if Tesla was doing them a favor.

I'd like to see them make this kind of offer to Sony.

"Hey Sony, we'd like you to put God of War: Ragnarok in our cars. No we won't offer any money to you. But think of the exposure!"

"...No."

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#4280: Nov 1st 2022 at 5:37:38 AM

Tesla genuinely trying to do the whole “exposure bucks” meme makes me think of when the nincompoops at Rooster Teeth boasted that ‘’gen:LOCK’’ was the only mech series that focused on the characters. It’s be funny five years ago but now it’s just pathetic.

Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 1st 2022 at 8:38:17 AM

Zendervai Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy from St. Catharines Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
#4281: Nov 1st 2022 at 5:40:07 AM

It's especially absurd after years of Epic and Amazon going to developers and saying "We'll pay you a lump sum to let us give your game away for free."

There's an established (more or less) protocol here. Now, I have quibbles with the size of the payments, but they're at least paying for it and not just claiming exposure.

Not Three Laws compliant.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#4282: Nov 1st 2022 at 5:45:31 AM

Heh, maybe I should go to the nearest Tesla store (there actually is one within walking distance come to think of it) and ask for a free Model X. Tell them I'd be offering them "exposure".

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#4283: Nov 1st 2022 at 6:55:45 AM

When they say you'll be paid in exposure, they mean you won't be able to afford clothing.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Zendervai Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy from St. Catharines Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
#4285: Nov 1st 2022 at 12:55:30 PM

[up] Do you mean Deus Ex? Hitman was I/O Interactive from start to finish.

Not Three Laws compliant.
terumokou Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object from In a bamboo forest full of bunnies, California Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Mu
Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object
#4286: Nov 1st 2022 at 2:03:07 PM

And the only Hitman thing that Onoma had a hand in was those mobile games. Not to mention that the actual games developed by I/O prior to going independent was under the umbrella of Square Enix Europe.

Edited by terumokou on Nov 1st 2022 at 2:09:51 AM

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#4287: Nov 3rd 2022 at 11:53:28 PM

Because of New York CIty's transparency laws regarding job pay (a business must list the pay of a job if the hire at least 4 workers), we've got some pay listings:

  • Rockstar Games’ NYC listings — the most extensive that Axios found — include a product lead for the Rockstar Games Launcher ($163k-$184k), a voice-over director ($123k-$144k), a physics programmer ($121k-$142k), a cheat software analyst ($103k-$120k) and an associate dialogue designer for its games’ open worlds ($50k-$57k).
  • Take-Two’s NYC listings include a senior systems engineer working with its Ghost Story Games studio ($121k-$142k), a director of people ops ($170k-$198k) and a director of marketing for its Private Division label ($170k-$198k).
  • Epic Games’ NYC listings — the highest-paying that Axios found — include an operations manager for content policy and escalations ($159k-$206k) and a senior product manager on Unreal Engine ($187k-$242k).
  • Twitch’s NYC listings include a developer advocate ($145k-$195k) and a software engineer for proactive safety ($158k-$214k).
  • Activision lists a “measurement lead” role for its sales team ($77k-$114k).
  • Ubisoft lists a part-time job running game demos at events ($15/hr plus overtime).

Considering there will be similar laws for California and Washington states, where a ton of gaming companies' headquarters are located in the US, this is just a sampler.

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powerpuffbats Goddess of Nature Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Goddess of Nature
#4288: Nov 4th 2022 at 11:32:03 AM

So I’ve got a question:

Do you guys just feel like the stuff that the gaming industry does makes it harder for you to get excited about new releases?

Like, I’ve been getting increasingly disgusted with the game industry lately and in turn I’ve decided to buy older out of print games. Rarely getting new releases outside of Christmas.

You know, I have to wonder why Pit is obsessed with this site. It’s gonna ruin his life!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#4289: Nov 4th 2022 at 11:34:20 AM

Not really. I just avoid falling into the hype train. I also wait a week after release to see if a game is worth getting.

That or I wait for games to go on sale.

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Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#4290: Nov 4th 2022 at 11:40:46 AM

That question implies that it was ever easy for me to get excited by new releases to begin with, which... hasn't been the case for a long time.

And yeah, usually I wait for sales and/or reviews

Edited by Reflextion on Nov 4th 2022 at 2:41:34 PM

powerpuffbats Goddess of Nature Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Goddess of Nature
#4291: Nov 4th 2022 at 11:40:51 AM

[up]Yeah. I think what also is at play for me is that most newer games just don’t interest me.

You know, I have to wonder why Pit is obsessed with this site. It’s gonna ruin his life!
DoubleOG Since: Jun, 2021
#4292: Nov 4th 2022 at 11:45:53 AM

Most of the answers you'd probably get would be varying degrees of "I don't particularly care for new games, especially ones made by triple A companies.".

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Best Ogre
#4293: Nov 4th 2022 at 11:50:13 AM

Meh. I know what I like, so I’m able to get games early with a very low risk of disappointment.

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Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
#4294: Nov 4th 2022 at 11:55:53 AM

Outside of very specific few games, I no longer get excited by new releases.

Though that's also partly due to my backlog being so big I can't really find myself caring very much about adding more to it.

terumokou Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object from In a bamboo forest full of bunnies, California Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Mu
Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object
#4295: Nov 4th 2022 at 1:29:25 PM

Same. It also doesn't help that I don't really watch pre-release stuff as much so a lot of the stuff I play happens to be me going in blind.

Burning love!
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#4296: Nov 4th 2022 at 2:04:22 PM

I only get excited about a few specific series, but I find it hard to get excited about new stuff.

Wanted to get into Horizon Zero Dawn, but that game is just too difficult for me.

Optimism is a duty.
Noaqiyeum Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they) from the gentle and welcoming dark (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
#4297: Nov 4th 2022 at 2:53:20 PM

I'm not usually aware of pre-release announcements to begin with; there are currently a grand total of two (2) games I'm interested in in advance, which is a longer list than any time I can remember.

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Florien The They who said it from statistically, slightly right behind you. Since: Aug, 2019
The They who said it
#4298: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:32:03 PM

I'm usually only excited for games which I know I'll like.

I'm excited for the Dwarf Fortress Steam release, for example. Beyond that, I don't follow the bigger games too closely so I don't feel too strongly about them.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#4299: Nov 4th 2022 at 5:27:40 PM

If I start to get hyped by a game from a problematic company I'll usually go: " oh no, it's looks awesome, but it's from that company," and proceed to stamp down my hype.

Edited by tclittle on Nov 4th 2022 at 7:27:59 AM

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RainingMetal Since: Jan, 2010
#4300: Nov 4th 2022 at 5:37:41 PM

I pay little to no heed to most third party video game releases, as a stubborn Nintendo boy, knowing said platforms would inevitably get excluded.


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