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Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 29th 2024 at 10:55:20 AM
A God Am I
A procrastination in of itself
Yeah the idea that the mod code of conduct does not apply to this thread is a pretty wild one. Also the assertion that requesting clarification on how the “contact the staff” feature works is also a banned topic is completely new. What we were told in the past was to use that process to raise issues with mod actions, not that talking about the process was banned.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
To exercise on the side of caution and avoid thumps, all I can recommend is to holler posts, use the form to directly contact the admins and let the mods and admin staff deal with it. They have already made it clear they will thump and ban people who bring that discussion in here.
Lost in Space
This has nothing to do with the code of conduct. Moderator actions are not to be discussed in this thread. Period. You don't get to break that rule because you aren't happy about something.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Showtime!
In the event that we're concerned about an admin contact email being lost or overlooked, what do we do?
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Lost in Space
Realistically, there's nothing you can do, other than try again. The staff email is your point of contact. If anything about that changes, the relevant information will be posted.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 9th 2024 at 6:29:56 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
he/him
Answering some of the previous questions:
- Recent posts on this thread were flagged in an off-site staff discussion. There was a suggestion that a swift response was needed and Fighteer was the only mod online who seemed to be able to respond (for my part, I've been offline since my last post).
- I don't think I'm breaking any confidence if I say that Fighteer himself pointed out that this was less than ideal, and that he was only doing it because nobody else was available.
Beyond that: as noted, queries about thumps and concerns about mod behaviour are off-topic here. The admins have been clear about that and it's written into the pinned post.
In terms of contacting the admins: as mentioned in my previous post, they're only likely to be online and actively engaged in TVT stuff during their working hours. It's the weekend, so please wait until Monday before worrying that they've missed your message.
For clarity: I'm using mod hat for this one as it's just restating policy and providing some background. However, as noted, most mods appear to be offline at the moment, so this isn't something that's been reviewed by the team.
Edited for typo/grammar fix only
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 9th 2024 at 11:48:42 AM
Angry babby
A Self-inflicted Disaster
Also, the Moderator Code of Conduct page clearly states that the code is site wide. Did the moderation team, as a group, decide that this thread was an exception?
"Enshittification truly is how platforms die"-Cory Doctorow
FWIW, I've put a note to the admins about there bring an unanswered message.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
A Self-inflicted Disaster
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From the context, it does seem like an miscommunication than an actual change in policy that the mod team collectively decided.
For clarity's sake: does the Mod Code of Conduct apply to this thread?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I don't see why it wouldn't. There wasn't any offsite discussion regarding this thread being an exception during either the discussion Mrph mentioned or any previous offsite discussion.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 10th 2024 at 7:08:53 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Admin
This is not the thread to discuss moderator actions or complaints about response times to emails. There is no thread to discuss that anywhere. You email the staff if you have concerns, this was already made clear. We get many emails and have many other more important things we are working on so it may take awhile and not all emails will get a response but they will all be read and issues related to the moderators will be dealt with internally, as usual.
The moderators are chosen by the administration, not by the users. They are also human and can make mistakes. They are also volunteers who offer up many hours of their free time to moderate this site that is very large that requires a lot of work. Users may not always like certain moderators or their decisions, it’s the same way with any website.
Edited by kory on Mar 11th 2024 at 12:32:26 PM
Now monitoring Wishlist and Bugs
Oh, bother.
Tbf, this was less about a mod's actions as a mod but rather his actions as a fellow forum user.
To be less fair, this indeed isn't the thread to discuss that stuff either.
Disgusted, but not surprised
What is the policy on wishing harm on people?
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What are the consequences if you do?
Edited by Yinyang107 on Mar 11th 2024 at 11:33:59 AM
The law in the night
Don't wish harm on people.
Inter arma enim silent leges
he/him
The general forum policy on 'gravedancing' covers this - if a troper's celebrating someone's death, hoping they die, or wishing other harm on them as a person, that post is likely to be thumped.
This applies even if the person in question has been found guilty of horrible things in a court of law.
If the same troper repeatedly posts this sort of thing, the thumps may be followed by a forum subforum ban.
In some cases we may decide not to wait for further posts before acting - for example, if someone is wishing death, illness or harm on another troper, they are unlikely to get a second chance before we intervene.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
So if someone said that if people had suicidal thoughts over certain legislation that they should just do it, would that count as wishing harm?
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
Admin
The fighteer comment has already been discussed and dealt with internally and no further comments is going to change that. As I just said, there is no place to discuss moderator actions. That’s just the way it is. If you aren’t a moderator, you aren’t allowed to discuss these things.
The administration is also the ones who place the moderators in power, not the users. WE trust them and that’s what matters. Just because they make a mistake or some users don’t like them doesn’t mean you’re allowed to break the rules or demand anything be done.
Edited by kory on Mar 11th 2024 at 9:26:34 AM
Now monitoring Wishlist and Bugs
Angry babby
I was responding more to his comment posted in this thread, which is still publicly viewable. I don't think asking a question about something said on this thread is off topic for this thread.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.