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Get Out was really good. I should get around to watching Us since I got it on Blu-Ray for Christmas.
Also Into the Spider-Verse winning Best Animated Feature was easily the best part of last year's Oscars.
I'm rooting for Abominable to get Best Animated this year. Toy Story 4 disappointed me.
Edited by HamburgerTime on Jan 5th 2020 at 3:43:45 AM
Speaking of Best Animated Feature, I'm hoping Abominable wins that one too in a dark horse victory, because otherwise Disney has that category locked tight in its grasp.
Edited by Weirdguy149 on Jan 5th 2020 at 4:42:04 AM
The academy has made it transparent in the past that they don't really respect animation as an art form and don't even bother to watch all the nominees. Hence why Disney and Pixar win most of the time.
They get paid to see movies. That's just them having their heads up their asses.
Anyway the awards are just a popularity contest. The jury just give awards to whoever is most popular.
Aside from wanting to award De Toro an Oscar, I've also suspected that The Shape of Water won Best Picture was just to appease the Sci-Fi/Fantasy crowd.
This is the obligatory time of the year where I point that out of 18 Academy Awards for best animated feature film, only six non-Disney winners exist: Shrek, Spirited Away, Wallace & Grommit, Happy Feet, Rango and Spiderverse. Out of those, Spirited Away was distributed by Disney in the American market, so it's almost like a half-victory.
So in order ascending order Studio Ghibli has 1 win with Spirited Away, Animal Logic has 1 with Happy Feet, Nickelodeon Movies has 1 with Rango, Sony Animation has 1 with Spiderverse, Dreamworks has 2 wins with Shrek and Wallace & Grommit, while Disney/Pixar holds a measly 12 wins out of 18.
If you still think that's too low, Wallace and Grommit and Rango won in years Disney wasn't running. Disney has only been actually beaten at the awards by Shrek (beating Monsters INC), Spirited Away (beating Treasure Planet and Lilo & Stitch), Happy Feet (beating Cars) and Spiderverse (beating Incredibles 2 and Ralph Breaks the Internet). 4 movies in a nearly 20 year period.
The hold Disney has on the award is truly something.
Edited by Gaon on Jan 5th 2020 at 2:11:20 AM
Since when have the Oscars ever cared about appeasing the Sci-Fi & Fantasy crowd?
"Appease" may have been the wrong word.
But, still to me it felt like it won so people would stop arguing "Sci-Fi fantasy" films never win awards.
Or maybe enough voters liked the film for what it was, I dunno.
Edited by Brandon on Jan 5th 2020 at 2:16:49 AM
Movie Bob explains really well why Shape of the Water ended up winning in his predictions of that year (6:55 for the best picture prediction)
Edited by Akirakan on Jan 5th 2020 at 5:29:05 AM
Basically, according to Movie Bob, while Get Out and Shape of Water had similar themes of minorities going up against mainstream society, Shape of Water and Get Out have different amounts of comfort levels. Shape of Water, where every kind of minority goes up against the stereotypical 50's racist white guy, is a much safer movie in the eyes of the Academy than Get Out, which calls out liberal racism, which some of the older voters dabble in.
I mean, The Return of the King did phenomenally back in 2004.
15 years later and that's still one of my favorite moments. :)
Yeah in the long run these award shows are frankly kind of dogshit. Expecting a bunch of groanworthy decisions as usual that only further affirm that.
I'd have been happy with Shape, Get Out, or Lady Bird. Glad it wasn't Three Billboards.
I feel like I am in the minority in that I am happy The Shape of Water won that year. I love Del Toro. Though I was rooting for Get Out, I would have been generally happy if either won. As I haven't seen Lady Bird, and while I liked Three Billboards, that was mainly because of the performances.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 5th 2020 at 5:06:49 AM
I was happy with Shape of Water too. It's Del Toro's strongest film since Pan's Labyrinth. Crimson Peak was a disappointment and while Pacific Rim was fine, IMO even as a "popcorn movie" it's inferior to his Hellboy movies which I enjoyed much more.
"Get Out" won Best Original Screenplay so there's that.
Loved that win.
Yeah, we are talking about the same judging body that looked at Tron and thought using CGI was “cheating” despite the movie likely being impossible to make without it.
And also how one of the judges nominated HIS OWN MOVIE (or at least one he had connections too, I can’t remember) for Best Original song.
What movie did the judge work on? I never heard of that.
What does everyone think are Joaquin Phoenix's changes this year?
Edited by Bullman on Jan 6th 2020 at 7:40:27 AM
With the Golden Globe in the bag, he should have a pretty good shot.
Personally, I thought Get Out! deserved Best Picture vastly more than The Shape of Water.
Nice to see something that isn't Disney won a Golden Globe for animation.
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