Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

I don't know how glorious Crimson Flower Edelgard is. In five years, she doesn't seem to have actually gained an inch of territory since the first month of the war, despite all of her advantages. She seems more competent in other routes; she's taken over either half (AM) or all (VW) of the Kingdom and didn't need Byleth to do it for her.

I'm not a huge fan of making Edelgard Moe either. It feels like kind of a cheap way to make her sympathetic.

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Feb 24th 2020 at 8:38:57 AM

Well Edelgard wins in CF and establishes an empire of equity built on blood, destruction, the corpses of other nations and religion so there's that.

Just like Arvis. Better hope Rhea doesn't live on in any spawn of Edelgard and Byleth with that crest of Seiros or flames.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 24th 2020 at 8:42:23 AM

Because Byleth accomplishes in six months why Edelgard couldn't in ten times as long. They come off as Edelgard's Hypercompetent Sidekick.

Rhea isn't Loptyr.

And Edelgard's empire isn't really egalitarian. It just uses a different method to determine who's on top.

Byleth is everyone's hypercompetent sidekick to be fair. Comes with the territory of being a mary sue, I MEAN Avatar.

SS is just Seteth and Byleth taking turns on who gets to be the competent one and who gives the illusion of choice when it comes to making your next move. They are both sidekicks, to someone who isn't there. It's a surreal experience.

EDIT: WAIT WAIT, I just found this hilarious piece of fanart, the true culprit of the tragedy. https://twitter.com/Mlickles/status/1189344196089516034

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 24th 2020 at 9:08:52 AM

Far from humanity not needing gods, the only route where Edelgard wins is the route where Sothis sides with her.

I'm almost more curious what happens if Byleth never comes back. I see Edelgard successfully taking the continent but never successfully hunting down Dmitri or stamping out goddess-worship, and then Claude and the Almyrans pour over the border, team up with Holst and Dmitri and really put the "war" in "world war".

And to be on the other topic of the last few pages, I give you Bert and Ferdie.

Well, the CF route still points out that Thales and the rest of the Agarthans are still threats, and that Edelgard has to ensure her ideals can lead Fodlan to a better place and reform the Empire with a depowered Byleth, so she does prove in a way she's not as reliant on Sothis as people argue.

The only difference is that Hubert and Ferdinand exist below the waist.

Hey guys, i've been writing some interactions for fun, is this something Dimitri would say? Pre-time skip Dimitri.

Edelgard: So are you saying that crest bearers are superior to ones without?

Dimitri: Yes, and that is exactly why we have the responsibility to protect them. I won't speak for the Goddess as for why she chose to only impart certain bloodlines, but i know she would want us to use them responsibly. The average commoner cannot lift a carriage like i can, nor cast magic powered up by a crest like you can, or live as long as us, that's why we must guide them. I believe this is the goddesses's plan.

Edelgard: And so you coddle the people and keep them reliant on heroes? You would keep Fodlan's society and nobility based on a system by a long dead prophet and a goddess who is silent? Who no longer can be bothered to help those who cry for it?

Dimitri: This is a system that has stood for hundreds of years, and i see no reason why you should drastically change it, that just invites chaos. What happened to Miklan is unfortunate and his parents should not have treated him like that but he should have accepted his lot because we need the relics to defend the people. The Goddess works in strange ways, but i truly believe she is watching over us and i trust she has not erred in choosing our families.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 25th 2020 at 5:31:40 AM

Oh, come now Red... we ALL know the real OTP of CF is Edelgard/Lysithea... at least, whenever it’s F!Byleth, who gets together with someone else.

M!Byleth gets with either Lysithea (because Irony is funny as well as Moe, or Bernadetta (because Bernie becomes even more awesome in their epilogue.

And no, I’m not against By/Edie because “homophobia” or “Edelgard is a fascist” (lol, what?); I oppose it because whenever a game with Relationship Values throws an Implied Love Interest at me, the harder and more unsubtly they hammer me the less likely I am to... ahem, Support it. Have an Official Couple in a game without optional relationship points all you like, but I dislike THAT sort of artificial choice far more than being told I must follow Dimitri to Enbarr rather than liberate Fhirdiad.

EDIT: I do agree with what you’ve written there, even if I defend the parley scene and you don’t, I also see your above passage as in-character for both Edie and Dimi.

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Feb 26th 2020 at 1:47:42 AM

I like the idea that originally the Blue Lions would have had a civil war with each other over Dimitri's actions. Hence the Felix and Annette bosses.

Bernie only leaves her room in CF's monastery. That justifies all the evil i do.

Also i agree, i lol at Edelgard being called fascist.

Also thanks. Just practicing my writing for shit i will never publish.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 25th 2020 at 6:49:31 AM

In those routes, she's more willing to use Demonic Beasts and work with Those Who Wank in The Dark. There's no one to reign her worst impulses in.

I’m of the opinion that we were NEVER going to have a route split:

Firstly, because it makes no sense to have Edelgard and Dimitri have one, but not Claude. Yes, I know that singles out Edelgard, but remember that she is The Heavy of the story regardless of the route - the game revolves around her choices and how the response to them affects Fodlan’s future, so choosing between opposing or siding with her makes sense (SS is also the Rhea route, even if it fails in being a particularly good one and regardless of how you feel about her).

Secondly, the circumstances heavily suggest that Annette would have left the group by Chapter 18 at the latest, if you failed to do her and Gilbert’s Paralogue - not unlike the Dedue one that determines his fate on AM - as otherwise Baron Dominic is Trapped in Villainy until Cornelia’s defeat. I don’t know what was Felix’s criteria, but I imagine both were cut to minimise the potential frustration to players... Also, if they were far enough along to have recorded dialogue for the scenario, it strikes me as odd that there isn’t more suggesting the validity of this “split route” theory I keep seeing.

Thirdly, whatever everyone thinks of Dimitri, dividing their forces over an ideological dispute is reckless at best, and suicidal at worst - besides the Lions themselves being split on the issue, much of the Kingdom army would follow their legitimate king even if he dashed down a cliffside to certain death. Making the best of a bad situation is their only recourse...

And fourth, if we were to lose both Annette and Felix in a Mutually Exclusive Party Members situation, just like Edelgard and Hubert vs. Flayn, then why would the programmers not only gives them C and B Supports with Dimitri, but go to the trouble of recording A Supports; ones which based on this argument should not exist at all?

Ehh, i'm not really arguing it, just wistful thinking.

But on that note, Dimitri and Edelgard having a route split while Claude doesn't, kinda fits, considering he's the only sane man.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 25th 2020 at 7:51:14 AM

I'm pretty sure it's less a full route split and more of a minor variation, like the alternate scenes in CF.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Feb 25th 2020 at 8:26:31 PM

Thanks to Hapi and Dimitri's ending, there are people saying AM is the closest to a Golden route now. We get all the relics, the dubstep mole people are dealt with, Dimitri is better adjusted, AM is the only path where Cornelia dies, Rhea survives but steps down, everyone but Edelgard, Hubert, and Jeritza survives, and of course, the empire is stopped.

What do you guys think?

Edited by Smasher on Feb 25th 2020 at 4:29:59 AM

It was always the closest just based on how many survive.

I recently got the C-support between Yuri and Byleth, and now I'm wondering if the Byleth x Caspar support will be affected in any way if Byleth hears about the scorpion-tatooed crooks from Yuri.

I'm guessing the answer is "no," but it would be pretty neat if the Byleth x Caspar support changes if you see the Byleth x Yuri supports first.

Seems unlikely since they'd have to bring Caspar's VA back in to record new dialogue. I don't think he has any other new lines, so that seems like too much trouble to go to for such a small change.

My thoughts exactly, hence my "guessing the answer is 'no.'"

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Feb 25th 2020 at 2:00:18 AM

Yuri and Ashe should have had a support though.

As someone who got Yuri's C support before Caspar's I can confirm the answer is 'no'

Also I thought Cornelia also died in CF

Meh, Golden endings in this game depend on if your favorite survived.

And yes, Cornelia does die in CF.

How do you mean? Different maps based on either following Dimitri or going straight to Fhirdiad circa Chapter 15 feels like more than a “minor” variation compared to the... Oh, you mean that CF itself is a minor variation? I actually disagree, if so; whatever its issues, the Part Ii campaign is a huge difference from AM/VW/SS.

What muttonheaded fool thinks that Cornelia survived CF? I know the dub seriously botched her Famous Last Words (which seriously annoys me! Like, why?!), but obviously she’s dead. Heck, “Arundel” drops a javelin of light on Arianhrod specifically because he’s pissed at Edelgard for killing his subordinate (in a way that reeks of plausible deniability, as it’s not public knowledge that Cornelia is The Mole on this route). You’d have to be either daft or obtuse to think she survived.

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Feb 26th 2020 at 4:07:04 AM

To be honest Cornelia saying something to fuck with Edelgard would be more in line with who she is, as even Hapi and Dimitris support make note she's a sadist who loves to cause suffering, and she even uses her last moments to do just that to Dimitri.

Her saying "Just as planned" as she dies would be the kind of fuckery she'd do if it got elaborated on and made Edelgard question of killing her was a Slither plot all along. Alas it does not.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 25th 2020 at 9:16:56 AM