Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (spoilers obviously)

but at the same time if the Rule of Two runs on Highlander rules like Rise implies

where the apprentice absorbs the Master's essence into himself, He should have the master's knowledge which would mean Palpy was blowing smoke when Vader wanted to know a way to save Padme which Revenge also implies

since Palpy first says Plagueis taught him everything he knew but then later says Plagueis has lost secrets

The two statements contradict each other... then again Palpy's whole game with Anakin was to make himself seem like his only hope.

The real answer is probably Plaguesis didn't know but was on the right track or his method was... crude.

The only Sith to truly cheat death is ironically the one who mixed Jedi and Sith Teachings. Hett's merging of the Philosophies gave him a clarity.

The dark side is a pathway to many powers some would consider broken and Fridge Logic filled.

The modern Star Wars franchise in general has some bizarre fixation with inventing new desert planets that resemble Tatooine. One of the many things that soured me on Rebels early in its run was that the protagonist was yet another orphan from a backwater desert planet that was Tatooine in all but name. It's like the writers think that desert planets are somehow the key to the franchise's success.

At least the prequels sort of had an excuse, being that they had to establish the Skywalkers as having family relations on Tatooine.

So for the next trilogy can we have like a rich kid from a forrest planet?

Like the poor on their own orphan character is pretty played out.

So sad that galactic climate change led to the desertification of so many planets. They had a chance to reverse it before the Clone Wars and the Empire screwed everything up.

The funny thing is that it's been suggested that the first Star Wars was George Lucas projecting a lot of his own life into the characters. For one, I believe his teenage nickname was Luke, and he grew up in a small town in a California desert. So, by extension, all Luke Skywalker analogs are trying to imitate Lucas himself.

No make it an aquatic planet. That would be the true opposite of a desert planet.

Genuine question. How many dessert plants are their in the outer rim since they seem oddly common.

Depends on your definition of desert. Some of them are more rocky than sandy (Geonosis); there are even some with oceans (Hypori in Legends)

I wonder if the prevalence of... less cozy planets in the Outer Rim is mainly to emphasise its role as basically being the wild west in space, i.e. the proverbial borderlands of civilisation.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jan 19th 2020 at 4:09:14 PM

“ At least the prequels sort of had an excuse, being that they had to establish the Skywalkers as having family relations on Tatooine.”

They really didn’t

There was no actual need for the Larses to be Luke’s real relations or Tatooine his family’s home planet

In fact making it so raised a lot more questions that had to be handwaved away “Vader hates sand so he’d never check Tatooine”

When there was no good reason for Obi Wan from the context of the OT to have hidden Luke and himself in a place Vader was familiar with and with people he knew and Vader gives no sign of “Ugh this fucking place” when he chases Leia to Tatooine

Anyway, I like Jakku for having a different feel from Tatooine with the junk of the last war and not even having Tatooine’s largeish cities

That said they should definitely gone with Rey scavenger on ocean Death Star crash world

Imagine being in theaters and seeing that in the same way we saw the toppled AT AT as Rey’s environment

And I’m surprised there isn’t a scrap operation around it. That’s a lot of good weirdly intact junk that you’re letting rust, opportunists of the galaxy

Edited by Bocaj on Jan 19th 2020 at 10:15:45 AM

It was cost effective, barren deserts and forests are easier to find than futuristic cities. They went all the way to Tunisia to find a suitably alien desert (some sand dunes in Idaho or New Mexico might have been a passable substitute), while Endor was literally Lucasfilms backyard. Early drafts of the OT wanted places like Coruscant and other industrialized places, but was hard to realize properly until the prequels. You will notice most of the changes in the special editions was trying to better flesh out locations like Mos Eisley and Bespin.

Honestly, one of the most baffling things for me about Rise was Mustafar.

Didn't even know that was Mustafar until I read the TV Tropes page on the movie.

"Wait, that's supposed to be Mustafar?"

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Jan 19th 2020 at 4:34:05 PM

Forsted Mustafar.

I mean, he thought his child died with Padmé, so he had no reason to check anywhere. I don't get why people keep bringing this up as a plot hole — Vader though his kid was dead, and so wasn't looking for them at all.

It’s good he wasn’t looking because Obi Wan was barely hiding himself or Luke

Alternate Character Interpretation: Obi-Wan was hoping that Vader would check in on Tatooine at some point and discover Luke. That's one thing that might get Vader to come alone, without Imperial backup. At which point, Obi-Wan can corner him and finish what he started on Mustafar.

Unfortunately, by the time fate brought Luke's and Vader's paths together, Obi-Wan had gotten old, and so didn't do quite as well in the rematch.

Trap him alone on Tatooine and go "HEY YOU HAVE A SON!" and then stab him through the head

It was the perfect crime.

“Sidious never told you what happened to your children.”

“He told me everything. He told me they died.”

“No, you are a father!”

TROS’s RT score has fallen below that of Phantom, with 52% after 470 reviews.

Ironic. It’s like poetry, they rhyme.

I don't think it deserves anywhere near that low myself but I can't help but think this will affect things going forward in some way.

Well TROS was an attempt to address the reaction to TLJ and we see how that went

So god only knows what boneheaded course correction we’re in for

Hopefully a change in how they do trilogies so that they have a unified plan and aren't shuffling directors around constantly.

It's still so mysterious to me why Disney's having so much trouble with Star Wars but not Marvel.

Lack of source material.

Seriously though instead of being a single trilogy with the same group of protagonists, Marvel has a bunch of trilogies so theres a much larger margin for error.

Marvel has had movies regarded as stinkers or clunkers but they have so many movies that the overall MCU is considered strong and when it comes time to tie everything up, there's a lot more stuff that can be used as setup and at the same time your Infinity/Endgames don't have to tie up everything for the characters because they can keep doing movies.