Ambiguous Name: Relationship Writing Fumble

Well that's :/ non-indicative.

Looking back through the thread, it doesn't look like the familial aspect was addressed at all before the crowner was made and called. And I see that concerns about the name were brought up some time after the crowner was called. And at this point, Friendship Writing Fumble only has 31 wicks. Would it be possible to revisit the issue of the name?

Edited by Twiddler on Jun 5th 2022 at 1:44:37 AM

That sounds like a good idea. I saw Platonicity Not Perceived on the previous page (try saying that five times); that sounds pretty good.

I bumped the ATT bulletin because we're still below the minimum amount of votes despite being close to the three-day mark.

What's the minimum number of votes, and where can this information be found? I didn't find anything on Administrivia.Trope Repair Shop

At least ten votes. I'm guessing the relevant information would be on the How Crowners Work page and not the Trope Repair Shop page, but if it isn't, feel free to take it to the Outdated Pages thread.

I feel like some of these names are a bit labored but I struggle to think of better options that make the audience reaction clear. What about "Written Platonically, Perceived Romantically?"

Edited by mightymewtron on Jun 7th 2022 at 9:51:39 AM

After the current crowner is called, I intend to compile a bulleted list of all name suggestions given since this thread was started in 2019, with the exception of Friendship Writing Fumble since we're dropping that one, followed by asking for feedback on the list and asking for further name suggestions.

I'll probably modify the pinned opening post to temporarly remove the to-do list and replace it with the list of name suggestions we already have and mention that we're seeing if we can think of anything else, then wait at least three weekdays after calling the current crowner (I think it can be called tomorrow, so I think Monday would be the soonest).

As for why I'm going by weekdays instead of days in general, it's because at least part of why the current situation happened is because Friendship Writing Fumble was the only name with consensus, but since I don't know if the Alterantive Titles crowner that included it still exists, I can't check how popular the other names on that crowner were (or even if the crowner included every suggestion given up to that point), so I figured we should dedicate more time to finding names that better indicate that all platonic relationships are covered (rather than just friendships) without sounding forced.

Maybe "Written Platonic, Read Romantic"?

While it obviously applies to media other than literature, the dichotomy between writing and reading feels stronger to us than writing/interpretation does.

OK, so here are the names that have been suggested (aside from the one we're getting rid of); not sorted alphabetically because I'm too lazy to do that: (Update: This list is no longer being updated. Please check the pinned opening post for the most up-to-date list of name suggestions, as that is where further suggestions will be listed.)

• Informed Platonicity
• Designated Platonicity
• Supposedly Platonic Relationship
• Allegedly Platonic Relationship
• Platonicity Not Perceived
• Written Platonically Perceived Romantically
• Written Platonic Read Romantic
• Platonic Writing, Romantic Reading

As I said, I intend to wait until the 13th before actually making the crowner, since I feel that waiting longer for people to suggest names would be a good idea for avoiding what happened with the last rename crowner.

Edit: I edited the header to list the name suggestions we have so far, and to request further name suggestions (as well as the plan to wait until at least the 13th for suggestions to come in). The stuff that was previously there (regarding wick cleanup) isn't gone; I commented it out and will bring it back (but with Friendship Writing Fumble being replaced with the new name, and with a note saying to move Friendship Writing Fumble wicks to the new name) after we've selected a name.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 9th 2022 at 5:47:18 AM

Might be worth adding a note about this being for general audience reactions and not just Shipping Goggles as a precaution, as the name change might encourage shippers to proselytize their faves.

Adding a note where?

Edit: I added another sentence after the request for name suggestions. Is that what you meant?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 8th 2022 at 10:38:20 AM

I meant that whatever name we go with, it might be worth adding something to the main definition to avert people who see the changed names as inviting them to proselytize about their favorite noncanon ship. Despite its other issues, the old/current name's inclusion of the term "Fumble" is indicative of the writers committing a relatively objective act of miscommunication to general audiences, whereas the new names sound more... personalized, perhaps. They could be used by shippers to project personal opinions about the work and its handling of ships.

What about Platonic Writing, Romantic Reading, reads a little better to me arranged that way.

Mm, still suggests a form of shipping-related Alternate Character Interpretation to me.

I added it to the list.

Accidentally Romantic if that hadn't already been suggested.

Edited by Bullman on Jun 9th 2022 at 4:22:53 AM

Written Platonically Read Romantically and Written Platonic Perceived Romantic, to round out the variation combos.

I added those three to the list.

As a side note, I'm going to stop updating the list in this post in favor of only updating the list of names in the header, since the header is the more accessible of the two.

I've decided to downvote Supposedly Platonic Relationship and Allegedly Platonic Relationship. They both sound to me like they are coming down on the side of the non-platonic reading being more obvious. The "written X read Y"-type names sound a lot more objective to me.

Agreed, they come off as a little biased in favor of the romantic interpretation and Shipping Goggles when these tropes are intended to be descriptive of the way audience react as opposed to how justified they are. Not to mention they sound like they can be applied to queer relationships that were deliberately written a certain way for the sake of Getting Crap Past the Radar.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jun 14th 2022 at 6:16:25 AM