Captain Marvel - Spoilers

It’s not his fault that the world refused to drop superheroes in his lap until Tony Stark popped the bottle

Also he had to spend a significant fraction of that time telling the world council not to build tesserect weapons probably without exactly being able to tell them that it might aggro aliens because that would just make them want to build more weapons

But hey by the time aliens actually do invade in more force than one armor guy, he’s managed to slapdash a team together with some luck and emotional blackmail

I don't see why there should be a need to depower her...I mean, she doesn't do anything Thor wouldn't be able to do too, right? And nobody is talking about the need to depower Thor.

For all we know Fury knew about more powered people and those are just the ones he picked.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 22nd 2019 at 7:50:51 AM

Only for a magic feather type arc in Ragnarok

I'd be pretty mad if they depowered Carol after Endgame also. And to be honest, it wouldn't make sense to me? Yeah, the explosion that gave her powers involved the Tesseract, but that's not the same as her power source being the Tesseract like how Wanda's power source is the Mind Stone. (And even Wanda for me is debatable... I think it was established that Wanda's exposure to the Mind Stone just unlocked something intrinsic to her anyway? I could be misremembering.) The energy is a part of her now, I can't see the destruction of the Tesseract taking that away. Just like how killing the spider who bit Peter wouldn't depower him.

And yeah, like Swanpride said, Thor is basically on her same level, powerwise, and yet he's managed fine. Solving things like intergalactic wars and conflicts, or doing diplomatic missions and stuff, basically dealing with problems she can't punch would be the best way to go and honestly, would make for more interesting conflicts anyway, in my opinion. Though I do want her to be on Earth for at least some time, like, a similar length of time to how long Thor usually stays on Earth, so that she can have a lil fanclub and then we can get Kamala. Thor has a fanclub too, and he's not even usually on Earth, so I think that's doable!

Edited by DeathsApprentice on Mar 22nd 2019 at 11:46:22 AM

The one reason I'd see for Carol to be depowered in Endgame would be if the stones were to be destroyed and retroactively depowered anybody who got their powers through them (and then I'd be very pissed off if two of the most powerful characters of the MCU, who happen to be female to boot, were to lose their powers).

I have been wondering whether Carol is on the same power level as Thor or slightly above. Thor had gained a few levels of power after Ragnarok and equipping with Stormbreaker, but I wonder if he could destroy a whole warship in a few seconds without breaking a sweat (I can't remember right now if he does just that in Infinity War during the Wakanda battle).

they better not fridge Carol because I swear to Glob if they do..

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It’s really silly that he would keep SHEILD in the dark about aliens on the off chance of powerful superheroes popping up and working for him.

Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Mar 22nd 2019 at 11:54:32 AM

Carol can apparently substitute for a FTL drive but Thor has the bifrost

BUT: we don’t know if the bifrost can go anywhere this isn’t the Nine Realms

I think it’s fairly obvious that the higher ups and higher ranked in SHIELD knew about it. Like how Coulson knew about the Kree

Not every SHIELD agent would know about it of course.

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 22nd 2019 at 11:56:55 AM

It depends on how they want to use her. I totally agree with you that there isn't any need if her next movie is a direct sequel about breaking a peace between the Kree and the Skrulls, but it might be if they want her hanging around with the Avengers more (though, it still would depend of the stories they want to tell)

Thor did get depowered in his latest movie, though. And he did get put on a bus for half of Avengers 2 and 3, preciselly because he is much stronger than everyone else. Furthermore, I disagree with the initial premise. To me, Carol seemed way more powerful than Thor by the end of the movie. Like, it is kinda hard to compare as Thor never faced Kree military before, but Carol was able to simple go throw a whole armada with no trouble whatsoever. To me, it seemed that if she was at the Battle of New York, she would have thwarted the invasion all by herself. And, yeah, that quite a bit more than Thor could ever do. Not to mention she apparently can just go and fly through space.

Btw, it just occurred to me that dealing with lost of power is a big part of some Ms Marvel stories. Both after fighting Rogue and after losing her Binary powers. So I wouldn't be too surprised if she being powered down was always part of the plan for a sequel.

If they plan that, they have to be careful with it. I mean so far every other hero has just kept getting more powerful from movie to movie….

Why not have Carol's next movie be an Interquel between her origin movie and her appearance in Endgame?

That's what I want anyway. It would be pretty odd if we never see another encounter between her and Ronan.

That is my preferred solution, yeah. If only because I am really curious about what she have been doing. It was the Sequel Hook of the movie, after all, I want to know what happened to the Kree-Skrull war. Then a 3rd movie could be about her dealing with loss of power.

Though if she does lose her power in Endgame, it would be weird to then release a movie where she has powers, just to deal with the lost of powers in a further sequel.

An interquel would be pretty cool, I think. There's still so much we don't know about those 20 years. And she definitely would have had to have encountered Ronan at some point, there's no way she hasn't. Maybe we could even see her broker that treaty between Xandar and the Kree, who knows.

I guess there still is that issue with how to deal with her powerset in future Avengers movies. But in any case, whether or not they do indeed do an interquel for CM 2, I hope we learn more about those 20 years somehow.

Yeah, esp since the movies tend to progress in real time, so a hypothetical CM 3 would be years after Endgame, which.... would be really weird. That's why if they do have her deal with a loss of power, I would prefer that loss be done in one of her own standalone movies and not in an Avengers movie and not in Endgame.

Edited by DeathsApprentice on Mar 22nd 2019 at 12:30:32 PM

So far, the first movie was about claiming the hero status, the second movie is about the ideals of the hero getting challenged and the third one is about loosing whatever the hero built his identity around and emerging stronger due to it. So I can see Carol getting depowered but only in a scenario in which she emerges even stronger in some sense.

Definitively. I don't think anyone would write a Marvel super hero story where the hero ends up down. Even if she does end up less powerful at some point, she will still end up 'better' as a result.

In what sense is a mostly one sided campaign of genocide a war?

Political joke; it made me laugh.

Just as the first Captain Marvel movie was about Carol learning how to go Super Saiyan 1, Captain Marvel 2 will have her going Super Saiyan 2 to end the war, and after getting depowered in Endgame, Captain Marvel 3 will have her reawaken her power and go Super Saiyan 3.

Captain Marvel 2: Just Carol powering up and screaming the entire time.

@Bocaj: A lot of them actually. Most genocides aren't Shoa-like were the goverment actively searches for [insert ethnic group] but rather are wars against foreigner or rebellious ethnic groups that go the the logical extreme.

The German-Soviet war was a genocide, for example.

Carol has a lot of villains in the comics that can match her just fine, and even more if they composite some of the universe’s cosmic villains into her next movie.

Imo, the best thing to do would be to have the Supreme Intelligence try to create another human weapon to match her, only for it to Gone Horribly Wrong and result in a maniac with superpowers that beats Carol but goes on to be a threat to everyone. Have it be Moonstone (who I’ve heard sometimes referred to as Carol’s archenemy anyway) or Michael Korvac or something.

Moonstone and Carol being enemies is a very recent development (from when Karla took Carols Ms. Marvel Identity during the entire Dark Avengers debacle).

It's funny that they were both around for years and both had Kree power sources but never threw down until around that time, but Carol was kinda all over the place for a while.

Moonstone also has one of those powers that Carol can't punch (literally). And she uses psychology to manipulate people.

I think it would be funny (and awesome) if Yon-Rogg tried to make another human woman into a Kree warrior and chose Karla Sofen, but ended up being manipulated by her.

I am not super familiar to Carol outside her appearances in the Avengers and 80s' Rogue, but I don't believe comics Carol is nearly as powerful as movie Carol, so would her traditional villains really on the same level? Not that it matter, as you said, cosmic characters tend to be ridiculous. Hell, with the Fox merger, Marvel know can use the Royal Guard (Marvel's alien Justice League Expies). I kinda wanna see Captain Marvel vs Superman.