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#1: Jan 9th 2019 at 6:03:13 PM

I'm under the impression that these tropes were originally meant to be for creatures that are specifically weak to fir/water/ice, but right now the way these tropes are used is all over the place.

  • Kill It with Fire has examples about fire as a weakness, people who are killed by being burned even when it's not their specific weakness, characters whose philosophy is "fire is the best way to kill something" (which might overlap with pyromaniac), characters who have fire powers (overlap with Playing with Fire), and probably a few Sink Holes relating to the meme usage of the phrase.
  • Kill It with Water has examples of water as a weakness (including undead who are weak to holy water specifically), people being drowned (possible overlap with Drowning Pit), people being crushed or cut by high-pressure water jets, and characters with water powers (overlap with Making a Splash). This page seems to have the least misuse, with most examples being about beings who are specifically vulnerable to water.
  • Kill It with Ice has examples of ice as a weakness, people being frozen then shattered (overlap with Literally Shattered Lives), and characters with ice powers (overlap with An Ice Person).

Am I misunderstanding these tropes or are they massively misused? Because in many cases, these tropes are being used in the place of a different trope.

Edited by Zuxtron on Jan 9th 2019 at 9:03:26 AM

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#2: Jan 9th 2019 at 6:05:48 PM

Yeah, these might need some cleaning...

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#3: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:17:44 PM

This has been talked to death before, with little effect.

Not even the creation of Weak to Fire fixed Kill It with Fire.

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#4: Jan 9th 2019 at 8:57:10 PM

Did a cleanup actually occur, or was it just talked about?

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#5: Jan 10th 2019 at 4:24:58 PM

[up][up] So Weak to Fire's existence means that the only unique concept left for Kill It with Fire is "people burning to death", which admittedly does fit the trope name, but I'm not sure whether or not it's a trope-worthy concept on its own.

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#6: Jan 11th 2019 at 3:41:38 PM

[up] That's called Man on Fire

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#7: Jan 11th 2019 at 4:31:47 PM

Ah yes, forgot about that one. So basically, Kill It with Fire is a totally redundant trope that may as well be cut entirely, unless I missed something about it.

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#8: Jan 11th 2019 at 11:22:57 PM

[up] I don't see why not.

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eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#9: Jan 13th 2019 at 3:47:04 AM

I would agree that Weak to Fire (as written) is covering Kill It with Fire.

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