Chainsaw Man

New chapter's revelation kinda lines up with my own thoughts about Part 2.

Speaking broadly, War is not just bloodshed and violence to be feared, but also can be just and necessary, for example: war against invaders and evils. Fearing and turning against War, being too afraid to fight, can lead to stagnation, appeasement of evils and oppression, etc..

Is War Devil also the Devil of societal struggle and fighting? I always feel that War Devil has some special position in the story, which is why she becomes one of the main character in Part 2. And the fact that War Devil possesses a depressed girl who is on the verge of giving up on life, with her last wish being to live more selfishly, to fight for her happiness, that's important too. Fujimoto is cooking something with that, but I'm struggle to put it into words. Reaching too far perhaps?

Moreover, Chainsaw Man seems to be deliberately limiting the the War Devil. From the list of things deleted by Chainsaw Man, a few fall under War Devil's domain: WW 2 (and it's associated horrors the Holocaust and Nazi) and Nuclear weapons, and they are the more unsavory aspect of War, too. Inhuman war crimes and the ultimate weapon of destruction. And the fact that War herself was partially devoured, while CSM absolutely refuse to eat Conquest/Control. I have an inkling that something major is there in the backstory we were given, but I don't think we have the whole picture.

What do you think Yoru will do in response to Asa refusing to kill Chainsaw Man? She was specifically exasperated that Asa would "always do the opposite of what I say".

It's one thing for Yoru to get shoved aside, strung along, or even humiliated by her still-fully-powered sisters. But having ultimate power over Asa is central to their relationship, and Asa heavily undermined the primary purpose she was kept alive for.

How would the Super Weight go with this series?

Genuinely surprised Nayuta didn't just order the soldiers to stand down. I'm guessing the guy in shadow is fake Chainsaw Man, if only because they want to promote a cult for Chainsaw man? Also, Denji showing his support for pride month.

stop stealing other kids's puddings Nayuta.

Remember that Makima got her regenerative immortality from a contract with the PM, Nayuta presumably doesn't have that. They probably have a dozen snipers aiming at her through the window right at that moment, even if she ordered the guys in the classroom to stand down, she got no chance to get out of there alive.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 19th 2023 at 4:48:12 AM

Is Fami also described as an antagonist? If so then yes he can fall under it, since she’s intentionally caused incidents herself to control her sister.

And the twos different groups have an agreement

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 13th 2023 at 3:51:51 AM

Denji is not having a good day along with Nayuta

Bad days are pretty par for the course for Denji. I honestly don't think he has any good days.

He had good days that helped setup his worst days, do those count?

Not sure.

Lets say...no.

Denji has had good days. Like that time he got to hug a penguin after a fun date!

I wonder if Denji was asleep the whole time he was kidnapped because of drugs, a devil power, or was just sucker punched unconscious.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 13th 2023 at 1:05:54 PM

The translation for the last chapter has been revised (though only on Viz's website and app). Haruka's talk about the "Chainsaw Man Kyoukai" was at first literally translated as "Chainsaw Man Society", but now it's the "Chainsaw Man Church".

This could be a decision made by Fujimoto (or someone else from Shueisha) or just the translator reacting to a future chapter's script. Either way, the point is making it seems far more like Haruka is forming a cult.

Given what the stakes are and how little time there is, it's understandable that Yoshida wouldn't be soft. Falling was just the shepherd, and she caused world wide causalities and destruction within less than one or two hours or so. And it's not like Nayuta is innocent. She is the control devil and has little moral issues with letting humanity die out.

It's clear that chainsawman and the control devil have some role to play in the end of the world. Either as potential harbingers or preventers. If it's the former, they should definitely be contained. If it's the latter, they should be made to cooperate. And given how, selfish both are, some "convincing" would be nessecary. Nayuta doesn't care about how many people die as long she can go to class and live with Denji. Meanwhile, if the prophecy said that only men above the age of fifteen will die, would you think Denji would bother to prevent the prophecy? He only save girls to get laid.

Also is anything Yoshida did, worse than what Kishibe had done? The only question about Yoshida's alignment is whether his goal is actually well-intentioned and if he has a sinister secret agenda or not.

Kishibe would more likely just keep killing and reviving Denji to force him into compliance at worst. It helps that despite how acerbic is, Kishibe does have morals and actually knows how to get Denji to do what he wants, largely due to actually liking Denji after training him and Power. His talk with Denji getting him to take in Nayuta is proof enough, since he doesn't threaten Denji into taking her, he just leaves her with him, since he knows how Denji will ultimately choose to willingly take care of her, and that he's the best option for making sure she doesn't turn out like Makima.

Yoshida was pretty much trying and failing to be Kishibe, acting friendly in an overtly insincere way, offering Denji superficial things he'd think Denji would like but not realizing why Denji wants them, and resorting to just brute forcing it when Denji won't play ball. It Kishibe is the normal dog owner who uses the carrot and the stick, Yoshida is the totalitarian dog owner who uses dog treats he fails to realize his dog doesn't want and a shock collar.

It's not hard to convince Denji to willingly help after all. Just phrase it in a manner that puts what he cares about at the forefront, in this case Asa and Nayuta. Tell him that Asa is being targeted specifically for no reason of her own, and that if the end of the world comes, Nayuta won't get to keep going to school and Denji won't be able to find a girlfriend. None of it is a lie, it's specifically going for his Skewed Priorities. We actually saw Fami do this with Nayuta by mentioning how Pizza will cease to exist should this happen, and we've seen that Nayuta has picked up a lot of Denji's traits, Skewed Priorities included.

All it takes to convince Denji is being able to understand Denji. Yoshida however doesn't understand Denji, he only sees the superficial details. He buys him a cake as a treat, but is befuddled to see him eat it with his hands like a man dying of thirst would do with water. He tries forcing Denji not to reveal his identity, and is left confused when Denji reveals his intent is to get a girlfriend by doing so, then tries placating him with Asa, not realizing Denji really wants someone who appreciates him and has a bad case of I Just Want to Be Loved, which was the furthest thing Asa could offer him until they actually bonded at the Aquarium.

Doesn't help that Yoshida makes no secret he's trying to manipulate Denji, and after dealing with Makima, Denji has a great distaste for manipulators. Kishibe at least is upfront about his intentions to Denji. "I'm gonna keep killing you until you're strong enough that nothing can ever kill you", "I stole this child from the government so she doesn't go postal and now I'm leaving her with you".

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 17th 2023 at 12:45:40 PM

Chapter 133:
Nayuta wanting Denji to say "fuck you" to Yoshida practically made my night!

Edited by thuse on Jun 20th 2023 at 11:47:17 PM

Well, that went well.

I'm serious. Nobody died, so it's actually a victory.

It feels like a bit of a copout to deescalate like that, but I guess the important part is Nayuta is genuinely vulnerable, so Yoshida's group (which may just be Public Safety) have actual leverage over Denji.

Maybe there's something relevant to the Prophecies which Yoshida is hiding, but wow he did not make a good case with the motive he stated to Denji. He's either treating social controversy as so terrible, no one should do anything that could cause it, or else just opposing any kind of new movement/ideology gaining power. People expected all kinds of sinister motivations from Yoshida, but "complete square" wasn't really on my mind.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jun 20th 2023 at 10:31:03 AM

Probably because he saw her defeat Eternity and thinks she might be a threat.

Pretty sure this is small talk and not literal since they were about to starve to death.

They weren't working together. Yoshida had to outright threaten her to get her to spill about Nostradamus.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jun 20th 2023 at 11:29:31 PM

He clearly doesn't think of her as a threat now though since he knew she's at the hospital and is content just leaving her there instead of, ya know, sending an entire squad after her like he did Nayuta.

Threat to Denji, I mean. As long as she isn't trying to approach Denji she isn't a priority, and it's not like he captured Nayuta because she was a threat, but because she was leverage to Denji.