We've just pushed a large overhaul public. Please report complaints, comments and concerns here. When reporting bugs, please make sure you include which browser(s) and platform(s) you have encountered the issue with.
Answers to Frequently Asked Questions
- Why did we do this? This update has been in development for over a year. It replaces a vast amount of messy code on the back-end, gives us a new modernized design, updates us to https, and creates a platform that we can more easily build on for future updates.
- Can we go back to the old design? This isn't happening. We'll make the new one work.
- Why are there so many bugs? As with any major overhaul, some problems will occur. The developers are working full-time on fixing stuff.
Frequently Reported Issues
This isn't everything, just the most common problems.Status Values
- Being logged in as someone else, sort of. [FIXED]
- Where'd the "Folders Open" toggle go? Not a bug, it's in your profile.
- Multiple issues with the new site search feature. [Logged]
- No sorting options.
- Forum poster search is gone. [FIXED]
- Can't search specifically by thread title, making results unhelpful.
- Pagination doesn't work correctly — the last page displays as if there were no search results.
- Line breaks don't work in some areas. (Ask The Tropers, Trope Launch Pad, forum previews) [Patched]
- ATT, TLP, forum previews fixed. Some more line breaking issues were identified and are being worked on.
- The Cut List does not work.
- Cannot approve or deny requests. [FIXED]
- Line breaks don't work. [FIXED]
- Cut request reasons don't appear. [FIXED]
- Additional cutlist issues noted here
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- Note, subscript, and superscript formatting are broken in various places. [FIXED]
- Night vision has significant readability problems. [Patched]
- Namespace index is broken. [Logged]
- Articles may become locked when edited, or when backing out of editing without clicking Cancel. Moderators can remove the locks but can't fix the underlying problem. [Patched]
- Remaining issue: the lock system still doesn't distinguish between an article that's locked and one that's checked out for editing.
- Edits won't save when "<" or ">" characters are present in the markup. [Patched]
- HTML detection was disabled for the time being. We're working on a more robust system.
- Edits won't save when the [norreallife] tag is present in the markup. [FIXED]
- Redirects are broken. [Patched]
- This is at least partially fixed. We need to know if there are any remaining problems.
- Indexing is broken. [In Progress]
- Images on wiki articles are rendered smaller than in the previous design. [Patched]
- Resizing images with [quoteright] tags is still broken.
- The "Following" list (formerly called the Watchlist) doesn't distinguish visually between viewed and unviewed articles. [In Progress]
- Custom titles are no longer appearing in all places where they should. [FIXED]
- In-line icons for Flame Bait, Trivia, and YMMV wicks are intended, but sometimes overlap preceding text. [Patched]
- Trivia icons should not appear in-line. (Design issue, logged)
- In second-level bullets, icons overlap preceding text. [Logged]
- The [invoked] tag no longer suppresses the aforementioned icons. [Logged]
- [quoteblock] markup causes everything inside to appear italic and squashed together. [FIXED]
- Line breaking for external links doesn't work correctly. [FIXED]
- Post numbering is no longer visible, although you can retrieve it from the hard-link. [Logged]
- "Delete all posts by user" mod feature now causes posts to be completely hidden instead of replaced with "Troll Post". [Logged]
- "Mark all as read" forum feature doesn't work. [Logged]
- "Save Draft" feature doesn't work as expected. [Logged]
- Forum post preview doesn't show all markup. [FIXED]
- Unread indicators on individual forums (topics.php) seem to have nothing to do with whether you actually have any unread posts. [Logged]
- Avatar upload is broken. [In Progress]
- Avatar galleries aren't formatted properly. [Logged]
- Crowners are broken. [Logged]
- Namespace configurator (mod tool) is missing some auto page type options, and the namespace locking feature doesn't work. [Logged]
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Edited by Fighteer on Jul 13th 2018 at 3:56:59 PM
And can I just point out that the New Overhaul link under the Bulletin STILL does not work? I'm not surprised that tensions are running high if users come searching for answers or help only to come face to face with a white screen. That is one of the first things that should have been fixed.
Edited by thatsnumberwang on Jun 27th 2018 at 9:09:44 AM
Can no longer access Desktop View on phone. This is infuriating.
Edited by phenomx13 on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:09:41 AM
Speaking of spoilers, the new spoiler color being off-white is off-putting and a little eye-bleedy.
The Protomen enhanced my life.
lalalei2001: "Using Firefox on XP, can't see edit cursor in forum posting."
No one mentioned this for so long that I was afraid it was just me who had this problem. Although I'm using Firefox on a mac.
Edited by WillKeaton on Jun 27th 2018 at 2:13:42 AM
Rule Breaker
The night vision wont stay on for me
Meito Anizawa, Anime Tenchou
Dunno if anyone said this but italics and bold markup is broken in links ''(like'' '''this''')
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
...huh, I could swear I've seen links using this kind of markup before... might be wrong though
Edited by Zanreo on Jun 27th 2018 at 10:34:10 AM
"Leftover items still have value!"
@Septimus Heap Ah, okay. Just didn't want it to get buried without being noticed, since having a starting point and being alerted of two likely-related bugs should make it easier to find the problem.
Thus speaks the Omega Metroid! ...Or something like that.
Using Firefox too. I also cannot see the cursor in the text field of a forum reply page.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
They've always been like that.
I like how it's only been a day and yet there's already over 1200 posts.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Jun 27th 2018 at 4:20:38 AM
Jawbreakers on sale for 99¢
I haven't seen it for any other index, but the Voice Actor Index isn't displaying on Creator pages. I'm using Chrome.
Needs to have the spoiler toggle on the sidebar. That's something that needs to immediately be togglable on a page-by-page basis, everything except the night vision toggle could just stay on the profile page.
Edited by Keeyla on Jun 27th 2018 at 4:23:59 AM
"In distress", my ass.
Apologies if this was already mentioned (this isn't exactly a short thread 
), but in at least one forum (specifically, Video Games) even after marking all read it still shows up as having new posts.
Also, every time I leave the site it logs me out, even with the checkbox for staying logged in marked.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Perhaps we can add to the pinned post that "If you're using Firefox, you won't see a cursor", "Yes, we know the links are broken", "Indexes and 'remember me' don't work" and other things that get brought up five times on every page...
Edited by lakingsif on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:31:25 AM
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
Okay, seriously, at this point there's no saving this. It is taking too long to iron out the glitches, and apparently new ones keep popping up.
Please, I'm not asking for much here.
It would be so much easier at this point to just abandon the overhaul and roll the site back.
By the way, the moderators have seen the crowner requesting that the site be rolled back to the old apparel.
We do not generally use crowners for software/design decisions and the admins have given no indication so far that this will be different this time around. That's without going into any questions about the technical feasibility of having the old design back without dropping the new functionalities, or for that matter of having both old and new designs as a toggle.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I really don't think they actually could if they wanted to.
Edited by lakingsif on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:35:00 AM
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
x4: people would probably still say it, though.
Optimistic Cynic
Its light gray instead of pink (I thought it was pink) but here's examples @Septimus Heap: https://imgur.com/a/A30y6bl
Theon is home.
1. A few posts have noted that avatars don't load or display properly. I don't have this problem, but half of the avatars (from users that did not have a custom one uploaded before the change) is the Slytherin house crest, in contrast to the old lampshaded-troper icon. Was this intentional?
2. A few posters have stated that design changes aren't important. While I agree that security and bugs should take precedence at this point, I strongly object that aesthetic changes to the interface are trivial. Poor design impacts accessibility, functionality and whether users find the site pleasant to look at and easy to navigate.
3. I haven't had a chance to view the site from my computer yet, but on mobile (Safari) the indexes that appear at the bottom of trope and work pages is a jumble. It appears as a simple table without separation between index rows (as in the previous version) and fails to visually distinguish the index from the trope listing as there isn't enough space to clarify these elements. I prefer the "stacked" index of the previous mobile site.
Edited by mahidevrans on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:45:19 AM
At this point we should probably have a wiki page outlining the outstanding issues and what's known about them, if it weren't for the fact that a) it would probably instantly trigger the too-long warning, b) it would be too long to coherently search through, and c) half the tropers would be locked out of editing it or run into other bugs. Maybe a Google doc?
I don't mean to self-promote, but my previous post about the root cause of all these problems was the last one on the page and this thread has been moving pretty quickly, so I wouldn't be surprised if not many people saw it. Seriously, the beta testing couldn't have been more invisible if they'd tried.
Also, I see Septimus' solution to the broken bulletin link is to have the thread URL in plaintext and make people copy and paste it?!? Was it actually the exact same link that just didn't want to work for some reason before?
I can understand not letting big decisions like the style and format be determined by user-made polls, but not listening to the community at all is not good, either. Hate to pull this cliché, but without the community, there is no TV Tropes. Yes, it's great that they are listening to the feedback on issues here, but... heck, see if they can fix things by Friday, as you guessed that it might be around the time when most things are fixed.
And then maybe wait for the weekend (if it gets fixed by then), to have people use this version as working. And then making make a mod/admin/non-user-created poll to ask about what format would be preferred and/or if an option would be feasible.
The new layout looks worse than the old one, and is harder to use too. Any option to go back to the old one?
"Vegeta, what is the square root of a number greater than eighty-one million?" "IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAND!!" *crushes calculator*
Theon is home.
A masterlist of issues sounds like a good idea to me; splitting them into "security", "bugs", and "design" categories could also be useful to those both reporting and trying the resolve these issues.
Edited by mahidevrans on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:48:05 AM
I don't see why putting the sidebar on the left is a permanent sidebar toggle but "show spoilers" is something you have to go to your profile for. The orientation of the sidebar is something you change once. I toggle spoilers to show on default UNLESS a new movie comes out, at which point I do a quick switch to turn it off for that page. Now I'm going to have to go to my profile to toggle spoilers every time.
So something I do once is apparently necessary to have up on demand, while "show spoilers" isn't.