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RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#51: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:31:29 PM

What's so bad about Smosh?

Because I just found that website while searching for an side-splitting Tumblr post.

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#52: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:34:39 PM

[up] Eh. They're basically a comedy site, all the times that a comedian want to go against Tumblr, it usually ends up with the classic "stop being offended".

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RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#53: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:40:46 PM

Well, that explains the marriage pizza with the side of an enraged vegan slathered with feminist dressing.

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#54: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:45:24 PM

This is the thing. Stupid Left Wingers in Tumblr are fun anecdotes. Stupid and Evil Right Wingers are the norm. At least currently.

edited 9th Jun '18 4:48:00 PM by KazuyaProta

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PhysicalStamina Since: Apr, 2012
#55: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:49:31 PM

As for that last part: That wasn't me in that image. The only people that I know who are saying that being gay is bad have ties to religion. And I'm not one of them.

I wasn't talking about the image. What I was talking about was (emphasis yours):

...when it gets to the point to where you're actually offended by the lack of gay characters in an children's game...

I don't know what you think this looks like, but to me it comes off as invoking Think of the Children!, implying that gay characters are too racy to show in children's media.

The reason why I brought up Tumblr is that it was the first site where I see random strangers going for someone's throat for not talking the way they expect them to.

And again, how overzealous Tumblr users act on said platform has no influence on or relevance to society at large. No one shot up the Oscars that year when all the nominees were white. No one threw a molotov inside a random establishment for not putting up an LGBT flag during pride month. Tumblr users being offended by everything is a boogeyman among the anti-PC crowd and a Dead Horse Trope among everyone else. The only people who still cling to this shit are those who think that "SJWs" are a thing.

edited 9th Jun '18 5:30:32 PM by PhysicalStamina

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#56: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:50:44 PM

Tumblr does have some radicals but usually they are pretty harmless (barring some nasty incidents were some people on tumblr attacked folks over art). In regards to mental illnesses they are pretty harmless though for the most part.

My only issue that I have found with how tumblr treats mental illness is that some people on their act like suicidal ideation or cutting is totes fine.

RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#57: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:07:28 PM

@55 I mostly see LGBT romance in T-rated video games and it was mostly centered around teens and adults, so I assumed that stuff was suited for middle-schoolers. When it comes to Pokemon, the only things that sticks out to me is how the genderless mons reproduce and that one of them is an shapeshifter. But I never really paid no mind to it and the game barely scratches the issue of exactly what goes on to keep it aimed for kids, so why complain about it? I can see how lack of representation is an issue. But I doubt if the series will dramatically change without causing an backlash.

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#58: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:10:31 PM

Representation matters because it help to normalize certain behaviors.

Is easier realize that minorities are like everyone else if you see them in fiction

edited 9th Jun '18 5:10:47 PM by KazuyaProta

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Corvidae It's a bird. from Somewhere Else Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#59: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:31:58 PM

The post Rabid linked to wasn't complaining about the lack of gay characters, but the lack of same-sex Pokemon breeding. I'm getting some serious Poe's Law vibes from it, to be honest. (Do Pokemon even have distinct sexes? I haven't really been paying attention to that franchise since the nineties.)

As others have pointed out though, this kind of thing doesn't seem terribly threatening.

Still a great "screw depression" song even after seven years.
PhysicalStamina Since: Apr, 2012
#60: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:38:52 PM

[up]I think some do, at least.

Regardless, it was the fact that he emphasized that Pokemon is a children's game that made me raise an eyebrow; it came off as if to say heterosexual breeding is fine for kids, but same-sex breeding? Not in this house.

Whatever he was really trying to convey, not a lot of thought was put into how that might come across.

Anyway, we're getting off-track here. My question now is, why are we giving random Tumblr users the time of day?

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#61: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:43:43 PM

Because some people will look for any excuse to claim that "SJ Ws" are a real significant problem.

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#62: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:53:38 PM

To Corvidae:

Yeah. Pokemon do have biological sexes. Male and Female. Not all of them, some are One-Gender Race while others are genderless.

It was added in Gen 2 (Gold and Silver. Johto region) but it was already implicit with the Nidoran line in Kanto.

I like the mechanic by the way. I'm not a breeder but I like having a diverse team with both Males and Females

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RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#63: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:58:02 PM

Relevant because:

Tumblr User A blogs about taking his girlfriend out for an date and asks for advice on where to go.

Tumblr user B and C hands out input on which restaurant to go to.

Quality advice continues.

Someone eventually shows up and claims that the OP is being misogynistic or that eating meat guarantees an place in Hell while demanding that the OP should share their sentiment.

Cue "dafuq did I read" comments.

This thread: Someone is talking about an certain topic, everyone is ok with. Somebody jumps out of nowhere and claims X is offensive while demanding that they shouldn't talk about it. And hardly anyone agrees with them.

Seeing an pattern?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#64: Jun 9th 2018 at 6:01:19 PM

[up] And now you're accusing Physical Stamina of being an SJW? Really?

Now who's the one trying to shut down a conversation?

This isn't even particularly relevant to the thread's topic. This has nothing to do with the ableist, racist, homophobic, etc. roots of common insults.

edited 9th Jun '18 6:03:02 PM by M84

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PhysicalStamina Since: Apr, 2012
#65: Jun 9th 2018 at 6:18:29 PM

This thread: Someone is talking about an certain topic, everyone is ok with. Somebody jumps out of nowhere and claims X is offensive while demanding that they shouldn't talk about it. And hardly anyone agrees with them.

Oh it's like that then? Aight.

1) I never said anything was "offensive". What I said was you wrote a poorly-worded post without thinking about how it sounded (so to answer the thread's question, yes, in this case). So take this L for strawmanning.

2) A grand total of like three people besides us two put their oar in. Two of them were on my side. That's a little more than "hardly anyone". So take another L since you wanna play that game.

Finally, at the end of the day, this Tumblr that dares to care about things like misogyny and related matters whose only flaw is maybe not going about it the right way and any others like them still do not have any impact on society no matter how much you wanna pretend this is an actual urgent problem that needs addressing. What you're doing is what most right-wingers do when their talking points are debunked: just repeating them in different ways because that's really all they have. So take that last L.

You do not want it with me on this, son.

edited 9th Jun '18 6:20:15 PM by PhysicalStamina

RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#66: Jun 9th 2018 at 6:21:44 PM

I wasn't really talking about any of you, I was talking about the incident that inspired this thread.

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#67: Jun 9th 2018 at 6:23:44 PM

We should probably drop this before anyone gets wacked with the thump hammer

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#68: Jun 15th 2018 at 10:12:07 AM

Speaking of word choices, the forum's favorite editorial site has an article on why journalists should stop using Trump's words (and instead describe him the way most of them did Hillary). Full Article Text 

In the wake of the horrors currently being done to children in America’s name, here’s one thing we can do: Recognize we’re in a linguistic emergency. We have a president whose single-minded praise for macho might is wearing down even those who refuse to overlook his incompetence. Trump, the only presidential candidate to refer to his penis size during a national debate, wants nothing more than to be seen as powerful and manly, and to align himself with those who project the characteristics he desires. And he’s gotten help—from us. If you’ve ever called Trump “tough” on immigration, note that he just called a dictator “tough” for murdering his citizens. (And “very smart” for staying in power.) That should be a wake-up call to journalists responsible for telling the story of this moment: Stop using the words he routinely chooses to describe himself. And think hard about whether you’re accidentally reinforcing the model of power he’s trying to sell.

That change is task one: Sidestep every attempt he and his allies make to equate treating people badly with being strong, because their efforts to link those concepts are working. Neutral outlets are defaulting to his language for what he does—he’s “cracking down” on unions! He’s taking a “hard line“ on the G-7! Driving “hard bargains”! These all position him as powerful, which he loves. The trouble is, it’s wrong. In practice, Trump’s positions slip and slide all over the place. He never got that “hard bargain” he allegedly drove (though he sure got credit for driving it). His deals fall through, his policy shifts depending on whomever he spoke to last. It would be the height of irony if the weakest president on record managed to rebrand himself as the strongman he so badly wants to be.

So: Infectious though his formulations can be, it’s time to break the habit. Don’t use his language outside quotation marks. Take particular care to avoid words that confuse cruelty with strength. Avoid warlike metaphors. No taking aim, no battles, no doubling down. No punching metaphors. No deals. Deny him the framing he wants. There are, after all, other words. Arbitrary. Confused. Crabby. Ignorant.

This is an extraordinarily weak president. Narrate him that way. It’s the truth.

Language reshapes relations; even the famous Stanford prison experiment—which ostensibly demonstrated that people with perceived power devolve to treating each other brutally—was recently exposed as having some of its more horrifying results engineered. The “brutal” guards were told to be brutal and how to be brutal. George Lakoff has argued that the metaphors underpinning language do at least as much messaging work as the words themselves do. He’s right. And Trump is good at using hoary old frames about mighty men, of calling losses wins. It doesn’t matter if he lies—the only goal is to convey strength. And it works.

His presidency has not, so far, been described faithfully and consistently for what it is. Take this December Bloomberg story, which describes a speech in which Trump makes it clear he has no idea how the immigration system he’s promised to change works. This is what he said: “They give us their worst people, they put them in a bin, but in his hand when he’s picking him are really the worst of the worst.” That is not, in any way, how America’s immigration functions.

In any other climate, the newsworthy element of the story would be obvious: a president claiming he can fix immigration doesn’t understand, at the most basic level, how the current system works. That’s a scandal. But rather than center that fact, the headline is “Trump Calls Immigrants With Lottery Visas ‘Worst of the Worst.’ ” That Trump got everything wrong doesn’t show up until the seventh paragraph. Not only does this marginalize what really matters—i.e., that the man in charge is so incompetent he can’t even describe the thing he plans to fix—it also concentrates the power of the story on Trump. It suggests that the important takeaway from this speech is what he calls a group of people that he just demonstrated he knows nothing about.

A president’s lack of basic competence is worth accurately reporting on. And it must be reported on when there is nothing else of value worth reporting.

So why doesn’t this happen more? Two reasons: For one, I sense in much of the reporting on Trump a secret fear that maybe we’re missing something. He won, after all. And he keeps insisting that he’s strong despite all the evidence, so maybe there’s something we’re not seeing. This, as many have pointed out, is gaslighting. It’s why he always says he has a plan he won’t describe.

The second reason is that many news organizations still confuse neutrality with accuracy. Better to just report what he says and let the people decide, the thinking goes.

But that’s wrong. And that’s due to the power of language: Simply repeating his fantastical claims makes them seem less fantastical. What a president says usually matters a great deal. But because what Trump says usually bears no relation to the truth (or to what his own policies end up being) it therefore fails to inform the public, and is not worth repeating. He wants to propagate the story of a power he doesn’t have. We shouldn’t help him.

Instead, repeat the valuable news that emanates from this White House: Usually, that will involve showing all the ways this president is wrong, weak, and reactive.

And if you’re stumped on finding the words to do that with, look to misogyny. I’m serious. Just imagine how the past week would have been framed had Trump been a woman—weakness would be the constant subtext. “A shaken Trump tries to shift blame for broken families on nonexistent ‘Democrat bill.’ ” “At Singapore summit, Trump makes nervous joke over weight.” “Trump catty with Trudeau.”

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#69: Jun 15th 2018 at 11:31:41 AM

[up]How ’bout “the weakest most pliable flaccid appeaser of bloody evil tyrants in the (approximately) English-speaking world since that Neville dude?”

The_Donald just made Singapore the new Munich.
(That will definitely be undermining tourism in the island-city-state)

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#70: Sep 15th 2018 at 11:12:59 AM

[up]

With the addendum that at least Neville had an excuse to keep the diplomatic front.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
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