Avengers Endgame spoiler thread

Oh yeah, about Cap lifting Mjölnir, I have been wondering: did he find out he could do it back in Ao U, but decided to hide it, or was it a last minute attempt in his part?

Edited by C105 on Apr 29th 2019 at 10:40:57 AM

I suspect that Cap was protecting Thor's pride. Either that or Mjölnir was simply not ready to get lifted for some sort of party game.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 29th 2019 at 1:42:50 AM

I think Captain America was not exactly worthy yet. It was Age of Ultron that we see a darker side to Steve Rogers (and one that Steve even hinted at). He cannot fathom a world where he retires from the fight, and can only find happiness by being Married to the Job since that's the only thing he has. Then consider the fact he kept secrets from Tony Stark regarding the truth of his parents' death. As well as the fact that his refusal to sacrifice Vision's life is what ultimately allowed Thanos to get the Mind Stone.

It's only when Steve shifts his stance "We don't trade lives" to "Whatever it takes" as well as repairing his relationship with Tony after lying to him (and actually considering a retirement plan) that he becomes worthy, at least that's what I got.

Edited by Shadao on Apr 29th 2019 at 1:50:00 AM

When Thor calls for Mjolnir in Asgard, did he take it from that timeline Thor's hand? I kind of don't remember much about Dark World.

Well, Thor doesn't carry his hammer around ALL the time. Though the idea of the Thor from this reality suddenly seeing his hammer flying away is really funny.

Btw, the earthquake in the ocean...maybe Namor?

So this might just be my autism making me incapable of reading facial expressions right, but I did like how Thanos didn't seem to care THAT much about dying. He seemed far more concerned about his legacy being undone than anything happening to him.

And even after losing he seemed to be more depressed than angry about it.

Attuma dicking around.

If it's like the comics, it's probably the later. I remember an AU story where Natasha tries and fails to lift Mjolnir, but succeeds when she tries again after using her last bullet to save escaping civilians.

So it works like the Sword of Gryffindor? You have BOTH be worthy and ready to do a sacrifice play?

Yeah and sometimes the hammer is just fickle.

By the way, i thought Nebula was amazing in this film. Her arc from Guardians 1 to Endgame was very well done.

And considering that she was considered one of the weakest points of Got G, this is doubly impressive.

Btw, do we know which franchise Markus and Mc Feely will write next?

G Ninja, you read him right; that was a man whose dream was shattered, and his face, body language, and speechlessness showed precisely that.

I am not sure if Thanos was really happy in the end...he seemed to cling onto what he did mostly because if he admitted that what he did wasn't worth it, he couldn't life with himself. It felt like he wanted to die in the end.

Btw, are we sure that the Black Widow movie will be about Natasha?

It is a prequel.

I saw speculation that it will be a prequel but then we realize Nat is re-living the memories in the soul stone... and then she breaks out somehow.

@Big Bad: What about Norman Osborn?

@Girl Power: Well, Spider-Man has long be considered the "honorary female" thanks to his impressive Estrogen Brigade, so maybe him showing up on the background of the scene is a nod to that.

BTW, I really loved the way Carol interacted with him: she could've just taken the Gauntlet and pissed off, and would be perfectly justified in doing so, but instead she took the time to give the clearly terrified teenager a reassuring smile and wait until he got his bearings.

T'was just really nice, reminded of the time when Daredevil unmasked to not scare the little kid in the second episode.

Nice nod to their relationship in the comics, too. Always been a wasted opportunity that one.

They have a relationship in the comics?

Anyway, I don't mind Spiderman being in the shot. It's kind of impressive though how well all those female work together considering most of them don't even KNOW each other.

They had a few dates and Spider-Island implied Carol really liked.

Most fans were really into it, including one Kamala Khan, but unfortunetaly, then current Spider-Man writer didn't let it move forward because he was too busy shilling the love interests he created and no one but him cared about.

Dark times, those.

Edited by HailMuffins on Apr 29th 2019 at 9:58:39 AM

It’s also hard to write a relationship between two people who have their own books

The writer doesn’t have full control over what both characters will do and something may happen in one book that causes one of the characters to be unavailable

Granted, but considering how he vetoed the whole thing just when he was pushing his own, very unpopular pairing, eyebrows were raised.

The visual language in this movie had some really good points. I noticed early on that Rocket had picked up a tendency to stand on stuff when addressing people directly. It could just be easier for CG magic, but it also fits if he's actively trying to make himself taller, or rather have people look down on him less. His deliberately cool space cowboy look makes me think its the latter.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Apr 29th 2019 at 9:16:04 AM

You know...I am now wondering how the discussion in 2012 regarding the tessaract went originally. How exactly did they ensure that Thor could take it and Loki to Asgard? Pierce looked VERY determined...

Well, probably has something to do with the fact that Thor could flatten he and his cronies by blinking.

If I recall from Avengers, Nick Fury also basically threw his influence passively behind Thor and he probably has a little extra pull on that day, since his pet Avengers Initiative had saved the day and kept New York from being nuked

I did like the nod towards the Captain Marvel/Spider-Man dynamic they used to have. Then Slott was all like "but my Silk and my Carlie Cooper". *rolleyes*

Anyway, I do remember in the JLA/Avengers crossover comic that Superman wielded Thor's hammer for a short time in the final battle, and then couldn't after the crisis was over - the logic there being that the magic in the hammer considered him worthy for the time he needed to wield the hammer, and then defaulted back to only Thor. I like the MCU version better, that Cap just IS worthy, and I don't know how intentional it was, but Cap beating on Thanos with hammer and shield gave me flashbacks to JLA/Avengers because Superman with Cap's shield and Thor's hammer was the cover of the final issue.