Resident Evil

Yeah you can't ignore "Internet crazies" because they always find ways to subvert whatever systems social media has to their harmful cause. "Hate raids" on twitch being a common thing, something that's supposed to allow one streamer to pass off their fans to another to help grow a shared community gets coopted by copy-pasted bots reciting hate speech ad nauseum.

It's the modern form of paper terrorism. And it sucks.

Luckily Capcom's basically been on the right side of things for everything that matters lately, so they probably (Probably, corps are not our friends) wouldn't cave to a vocal minority of pissbabies like some entities have been lately.

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I tried doing the survey but apparently I need to update my password because it expired. Okay but. I'm not sure how to update my password without logging in. With my password. Goddamn it.

I don't particularly want a Code Veronica remake in any case. (Which IS a mainline game) Although I'd still play it for the Alexia boss fight(s). She's still a pretty cool monster. Hopefully her vaguely anime form translates well to the modern photorealism look. (Claire's OG 2 outfit sure didn't.) I'd prefer RE focus on a new game or spinoff than a remake right now overall.

There was implications Alexia and Alford had a Game Of Thrones relationship so yeah...

I feel like the devs could actually do that in a Code Veronica remake, have a "Pride" Umbrella logo or poster somewhere in the zombified offices. Would be downright hilarious.

@ShirowShirow: Do you need to log in to complete the survey? Based on a quick look, I was able to get into the survey and answer questions—although I didn't go all the way through to the end.

(Although you won't get "Ambassador Points" without giving your "Ambassador ID", I think.)

Also, I have the impression that it's less asking specifically about Code Veronica than about what remake one might like—although again, I didn't get far enough into the survey to check. (There are a lot of questions, it would seem!)

Edited by ArsThaumaturgis on Jun 3rd 2023 at 9:02:50 PM

Alright. What do you all think they should do with Alfred in a Code Veronica remake?

And no offense to anyone who wants a Veronica remake but I'm putting my vote in for Resident Evil Outbreak because RE-VERSE and Resistance were only spiritual sequels.

Imagine RE VERSE but with a buddy or buddies on dedicated servers following an actual campaign. Some Dead Space level stuff right there.

Edited by FOFD on Jun 3rd 2023 at 4:01:43 AM

Outbreak and Code Veronica are both good choices, and I cannot fault anybody who wants an Outbreak remake, it's the zombie game Capcom needs to actually remake for nowadays, it was ahead of its time.

Make Alfred a fraternal twin sister-there, done. Still creepy and off putting, but it sidesteps the gender and sex issues, inasmuch a general audience is likely to care. You can keep basically everything else the same. (And for the love of all that is holy, do something less obnoxious with Steve, both as a character and as a boss fight).

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Jun 3rd 2023 at 4:07:22 AM

How about no sex change but instead of creepy crossdresser, have Alfred do the Alexia voice but with a puppet replacement of alexia like Consulting Mister Puppet.

Or is that just sidestepping one aspect of the whole problem?

They could always have her be there, speaking through Alfred, at first making you think that he's a split personality...and then you find out no, she actually injected her own mind into her brother's with her new virus, taking control of him. Basically, give a nod to the mind control stuff of RE 4, RE 7, and RE 8.

Honestly I'd just, cut Alfred's crossdressing completely? It's in like two scenes that seem to only be there to set up a shoutout to Psycho. The aristocratic military nut with a creepy devotion to his sister parts of his character already has enough potential for a good horror villain without it.

...on that note how do y'all feel about movie Psycho?

I uh, haven't actually seen it in full to know beyond Pop-Cultural Osmosis and that apparently the final monologue makes it more a case of Fair for Its Day? I mean, it's an old movie literally called "Psycho" about a crossdressing serial killer, I don't have high hopes for it aging well on that front so I'm fine cutting a shoutout to it.

In fact, Code: Veronica was meant to be Resident Evil 3 and Resident Evil 3 was meant to be the spin off game.

But they felt 3 was the stronger title.

And they were right, RE 3 is the superior title overall.

Yes, but it is the much more important title in terms of worldbuilding.

…So, yeah, taking a glance at the two pages, I’m up for the change, hardly think it’s a hill worth dying over when it comes to “Resident Evil”, think it’s part of the normal process of adaptations and that it’s a waste of a adaptation to basically make it HD, and I’ve never watched “Psycho” so I don’t really care and wince at the “being insane means being violent” premise. Resident Evil isn’t a Hitchcock household, anyway. We’re a Romero and Tobe Hooper house.

According to the creator, anyway.

And to Charles and unknowing’s most recent posts, I’d have to agree with Charles. “Code: Veronica” did have it’s contributions to the overall story, with Claire finally meeting up with her brother, her goal in “RE:2”, and, of course, the involvement of WESKER while “RE: 3” was basically “Jill Valentine was also in RE:2! Somewhere else, having her own adventures in the city and somehow still alive for, like, 2 months after the first game”.

Also, “Internet crazies” (I’d prefer calling them “dipshits” because their actions are not because they’re mentally ill, they’re just jackasses) are relevant in the sense that, personally, they can be quite harmful to people while, in the big picture, they’re…what’s a way to put it?

They’re part of a larger cultural and societal problem with the depiction of mental illness and transgender people (even when it’s an arguable case of coding here), defending it or besmirching and insulting anybody who would want to change it. They’d just be a smattering of jackasses if the larger world could agree on treating transgender people like, you know, normal people and (looks towards the massive smattering of anti-Trans laws recently introduced and passed in the U.S, for example), well, we haven’t gotten there yet.

Also, I’m not sure “I don’t know and don’t care much about these issues” is the best place to jump off into the conversation? It’s kind of a attitude thing.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jun 4th 2023 at 5:35:57 AM

I mean, the laws are being passed by ultra-conservative nutjobs so it's more on these ones than normal people.

These people don’t get power by wishing really hard for it, especially in a democracy.

People aren’t normal. They’re often flawed, shortsighted, and messy, with plenty of unexamined biases or mistaken assumptions that haven’t been put through the test rigorously.

Edited by fredhot16 on Jun 4th 2023 at 5:55:57 AM

Even so, that doesn't mean that they will keep these laws forever.

I've seen my country go from the #1 country in Europe for trans and queer rights to being close to grouped in with Russia et al. With our (unelected) PM quoting American far right rhetoric, and the leader of the opposition refusing to condemn it (or doing anything about the members of his own party who also spew the same bile).

So I don't feel especially optimistic in that regard.

In any case, I have no doubt Capcom will either cut the crossdressing (it's not exactly integral to the character) or consult and come up with a replacement. As I'm said, my issue is the backlash.

As for making Steve a tolerable character? Make them a trans girl in her emo egg phase (overcompensating with all the wannabe action hero nonsense), replace the love confession/crush stuff with a coming out, actually follow up on the suggestion she survived (so we can have a #girlboss transfemme bio weapon at last). Job done, you're welcome, Capcom!

Since we're on the subject of Culturally Sensitive Adaptation, do you think they could remake RE5?

In terms of chararters I will said RE 3 is better since it estabish both jill and nemesis to the point both become iconic of sorts. It also did ramp up the action from RE 2 which is a nice step to RE 4(which while good probably let to a issue in general with the franchise in general).

Speaking as a neurodivergent person myself, I tend to note that mental illness gets blamed for people just being evil all the time. But in the case of Alfred, he actually is mentally ill and clearly the subject of an abusive home and horrific maltreatment. Probably why Umbrella dumped him on an island in the middle of nowhere despite being the benefit of Nepotism.

It's his sister that's the real monster.

If they redid the game, I'd just remove the crossdressing element and have him hear/speak his sister's voice.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 4th 2023 at 9:52:52 AM

The biggest issue is the hardest one to get over in the fact that it's Chris Redfield killing like 10,000 black people. It's not the presentation. Wesker, after all, is the villain znd you have a number of black allies.

(Though the tribal village Ganados part being removed would certainly help)

I love the swamp area because it's the only open section of the game. It would be a shame to remove it. But i think you could maybe make it so the tribers are more accurate if you want to go that route.

The ancient aztec temple tho....that was weird even for RE standards.