When is something YMMV worthy?

Hi there! First off, this is my first time using this forum function of tvtropes and I'm not sure where I should write my topic to. So if some mod thinks it belongs somewhere else, please punt me over there.

I'm not entirely sure how YMMV is to be applied. Recently I read the Trope Page of "The Witness", the videogame. And there is a Trope listed "Spiritual Successor" with the Example given that it's similar to Myst and Riven, which I absolutely disagree with. The creator of the game stated he was inspired by Myst and Riven and I believe that some aspects are modeled after those games, but I'd say that you just couldn't say it's the spiritual successor to said games, just because there are no people around in the game, it's good looking and it has puzzles somewhere. So for me, that trope entry is wrong, would that classify it as a YMMV, I'd be justified to cut it from the main page and paste it to the YMMV sub-page? Or would I start a discussion first? Or start a discussion and cut paste then and there and if someone takes offense in that have it moved to the main page again? Or will I have to suck it up?

Thanks for the help! :)

When it's opinion or reaction or general trivia

So is it, in this case, opinion, reaction or general trivia? Also... isn't every other trope entry like "general trivia" about the thing in question? I don't understand.

It helps with discussions if you link the tropes and pages you're talking about. YMMV, Spiritual Successor, The Witness, Myst, Riven.

YMMV is when a trope subjective about something. It can be a subjective definition (there could be an argument for making Spiritual Successor YMMV), or more commonly an Audience Reaction of some kind, which means the trope isn't present in the work itself, but appears in the audience to the work.

However, it's applied to the trope definition, not just the individual entries. Spiritual Successor is not a YMMV trope, so the examples shouldn't be YMMV either. If you disagree with an entry, you can bring it up for discussion, on the Discuss page (primarily), in the "Is This An Example?" thread, or some other place.

Right. Something doesn't become YMMV because you disagree with it. Spiritual Successor should ideally have objective criteria, such as Word of God, backing it up, because it's fundamentally about the intention of a creator, not about whether fans think X is suspiciously similar to Y.

edited 5th Jan '18 6:04:10 AM by Fighteer

Generally speaking, there are ymmv tropes that could become main tropes because the story or characters invoke a particular trope, either through Conversational Troping (actually talking about tropes in fiction) or otherwise a ymmv trope being the best way to describe someone's behavior (ie Humor Dissonance where one person doesn't get why everyone thinks a joke is funny). When you see the blue tags Invoked or In-Universe, that allows a ymmv trope to listed on the main page without triggering the ymmv scales symbol.

The inverse, a main trope being listed as ymmv, shouldn't be ever done. Either it happens or it doesn't. The alternative is listing a main trope to describe the audience, and tv tropes doesn't care about the audience, they barely care about how the audience responds to the work.

When it comes to a trope like Spiritual Successor, sometimes the comparison is a little thin (some examples are literally like "the main character is tall and wears a suit"), but the biggest reason to delete such an example is if the information is outright false. As mentioned, if there is Word of God supporting it or other factual information like shared production crew that makes it stronger.

Alright thanks for the answers, I got it now, thanks :) Even though I disagree with the writing on the Spiritual Successor statement on the Wittness page, I'll leave it be.