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CommanderAce Commander Thor from Planet Earth, United States Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Commander Thor
#1026: Jan 12th 2019 at 7:54:58 PM

Now I'm imagining a Xenomorph and Predator attending the Bad-Anon with everyone chewing out the Xeno for drooling and the both of them for disrupting the meeting with their fights.

Power of Thor!
ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#1027: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:19:51 AM

@Swanpride

The only X-film that is generally considered terrible is Origins. The Last Stand is disliked among fans but general audiences thought of it as passable. It’s almost a fresh on RT.

Edited by ManOfSin on Jan 13th 2019 at 7:59:50 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#1028: Jan 13th 2019 at 4:40:05 AM

[up] I think you forgot apocalypse.

No matter how you put it, it is not a good track record. How long have they tried to get this Gambit movie off the ground nobody wants?

Anyway, outside of the Marvel movies, I suspect that a lot of projects currently in work will stay untouched. Disney has little reason to interfere, the Marvel movies are just a special case.

I can imagine, though, that Disney will focus on the various franchises Fox has, trying to brand them better. They could develop their own horror brand for example.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#1029: Jan 13th 2019 at 5:01:26 AM

You said two movies. I assumed you meant TLS and Origins. Even Apocalypse is considered to be an average movie.

Edited by ManOfSin on Jan 13th 2019 at 8:03:09 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#1030: Jan 13th 2019 at 5:23:07 AM

[up] No, Origins falls under the three Wolverine movies I listed earlier.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#1031: Jan 13th 2019 at 5:59:19 AM

Oh. Anyway, I don’t think Apocalypse is widely considered terrible since the movie it set-up surpassed it at the Box Office. Even had a better opening weekend.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#1032: Jan 13th 2019 at 6:18:36 AM

[up] Box office success is really saying little about movie quality.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#1033: Jan 13th 2019 at 6:32:43 AM

Tell that to Justice League.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#1034: Jan 13th 2019 at 6:46:31 AM

[up] Well, didn't say that movie quality can't impact box office performance. But sometimes the audience is just in the mood for some schlock.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#1035: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:08:18 AM

Venom did really well at the box office, for instance.

Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#1036: Jan 13th 2019 at 9:45:00 AM

Aquaman got a billion so...

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#1037: Jan 13th 2019 at 9:58:30 AM

Aquaman actually got good reviews, though, and is generally seen as a good movie, while The Last Stand and Apocalypse got terrible reviews and are seen as bad movies, despite any box office success.

Box office =/= quality.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1038: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:05:39 AM

Aquaman actually got good reviews, though

I wouldn't classify Aquaman reviews as "good", more as "mixed", but I agree with the broad principle of what you said.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#1039: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:10:57 AM

[up][up] One word: Transformers

Edited by Swanpride on Jan 13th 2019 at 10:11:09 AM

Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Mweheheh
#1040: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:24:05 AM

I’d describe the reception for The Last Stand & Apocalypse as mixed. “Terrible” implies Elektra or Fant4stic quality IMO.

Edited by Spinosegnosaurus77 on Jan 13th 2019 at 1:25:36 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#1041: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:29:50 AM

Point is that they are generally not considered a "hit" and fall more on the "miss" side of things. So my point stands, the track record of Fox with the Marvel properties is overall not good at all. Though they got considerable better once Rothman was no longer in charge….on average, that is.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#1042: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:42:19 AM

I wouldn't classify Aquaman reviews as "good", more as "mixed", but I agree with the broad principle of what you said.
Mmm, perhaps. According to Rotten Tomatoes, 64% if its reviews gave it a passing grade. ("Critics Consensus: Aquaman swims with its entertainingly ludicrous tide, offering up CGI superhero spectacle that delivers energetic action with an emphasis on good old-fashioned fun.") While this isn't as good as, say, Wonder Woman (93%) or Black Panther (97%), it's also miles above X-Men: Apocalypse (which only got 48%) or X-Men Origins - Wolverine (37%).

Surprisingly, among RT's reviews, X-Men: The Last Stand almost gets a passing grade with 58% of reviews giving it a good grade ("Critics Consensus: X-Men: The Last Stand provides plenty of mutant action for fans of the franchise, even if it does so at the expense of its predecessors' deeper character moments.").

So I guess action does count for something, even if it loses points for character development. In any case, all I can off of is my own reaction, in which The Last Stand lost all points for wasting a good story and good characters, while Aquaman won me over with characters I previously had no investment in at all and some amazing action sequences.

Edited by alliterator on Jan 13th 2019 at 10:46:06 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1043: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:44:55 AM

For me, 50-60 on RT means mixed-to-positive reception, depending if you're on the lower end of 50 or the higher end of 60. 70 and above is actually "well-received".

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#1044: Jan 13th 2019 at 2:52:23 PM

0-20 = negative, 30-40 = negative-to-mixed, 50-60 = mixed, 70+ = positive.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#1047: Jan 14th 2019 at 11:24:03 AM

@MrScout101

Disney is not going to let WB prop up their own streaming services in any capacity given their similar content offerings, so the 1966 Batman series isn't going anywhere. Best case scenario is that Disney puts it on Hulu or Disney+ (probably the latter given the show's comedic, kid-friendly backdrop). Plus I believe Disney now has the rights to the Clone Wars movie back since the DVD/Blu-ray from Warner isn't in print anymore, and it's not being carried on any other digital platforms either (and Disney already has streaming rights and TV distribution to the cartoon so you can forget about any trade with that; both are on Netflix FYI).

Plus, the whole Al Michaels trade came before Comcast bought NBCUniversal. Such a trade wouldn't be possible now due to Iger and Roberts not liking each other that much at all. Plus, what has Disney done with Oswald outside of the Epic Mickey video games? Not much, that's for sure.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jan 14th 2019 at 2:33:58 PM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
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#1048: Jan 14th 2019 at 12:33:41 PM

Oswald’s a meet-and-greet character at Disneyland, at least. tongue

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#1049: Jan 14th 2019 at 1:23:03 PM

NBCUniversal to launch ad-supported streaming service in 2020 to compete with Disney and AT&T.

Will be included in pay-TV subscriptions to Comcast and Sky at no extra cost, presumably. For non-pay TV subscribers, it will be $12 per month (WTF).

Material to be included: Universal movies, Focus Features movies, Illumination movies, 1,500 hours of NBCUniversal TV programming, et cetera. (Is any of that worth $12 a month?)

Programming that won't be included: DreamWorks Animation movies and shows (Hulu will have those), pre-1973 NBC material (syndication rights licensed to CBS), and films where Universal only has distribution rights in a foreign market (i.e. Gladiator, Master and Commander, etc. Universal can stream them in places like Europe (where Uni distributed said two films), but not in North America).

Probably gonna make a thread on this.

Edited by Mario1995 on Jan 14th 2019 at 4:43:54 AM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#1050: Jan 14th 2019 at 1:26:02 PM

Just call it "The Streaming War".


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