Does Not Illustrate: Too Dumb To Live

The current doesn't even seem to be an example. There's nothing "dumb" about doubting the truthfulness of whoever put the signs there.

At the very least, we can do better. Here's the subpage-images I mentioned earlier.

And here's the aforementioned Wile E Coyote examples...

In the meantime, here's a couple new ones I've since come up with.

EDIT: Ok, I myself couldn't tell what's going on in the Web Original example, but maybe that's just me. Even so, perhaps something for which I can't tell what's going on doesn't belong in my post. Removed.

edited 22nd Dec '16 8:53:08 AM by neoYTPism

Are you just putting images at random now? I don't even know what half of those are supposed to be about or relate to anything.

I swear 15.3 is a white butt shitting out a carrot or something.

It says in the post what they're from. If they're not good enough to be page images, then they need to be removed from their respective subpages as well.

Anyway, there's been criticism of the "multi-panel" nature of the suggestions, so I'll try for one-panel versions of a couple of them.

Frankly, I don't see the current as her "doubting the truthfulness of whoever put the signs there." I see her trying to decide which way to go.

Same here, I mean, If we're going to be obtuse, one can come up with alternate explanation for everything

28.1 "Maybe the diploma is false, so he's burning it coz he got his real one!" or "well it's dark, the light next to the diploma is clearly not on, so he's using his lighter to look at the diploma"

28.2 "Well the bean clearly doesn't see the bus coming, it's eyes are facing the viewer, not the bus. and it has no ears so it can't hear it"

edited 22nd Dec '16 10:06:45 AM by Ghilz

Well, that's what it looks like out of context.

The "burning the diploma" part isn't the Too Dumb to Live part; it's the "while it's attached to the wall" part. Not sure what justification there is for using a lighter indoors that close to the wall instead of just looking for a flashlight.

Likewise, looking both ways before you cross the street ^note (or, in context, the train tracks) is a pretty basic safety rule.

edited 22nd Dec '16 11:10:46 AM by neoYTPism

Just the fact that she seems to be considering going right is enough to make the current a good image.

Nothing about the picture says he didn't look BEFORE he crossed. He's midway through in your picture.

Also if it's a train, then there's nothing here - the train will pass over him harmlessly, based on the height of the rails. Trains aren't close to the ground.

You don't own one? It's dark so you can't find it without a light? Out of batteries?

Plenty of reasons.

edited 22nd Dec '16 11:21:20 AM by Ghilz

Those aren't the rails; they're the platforms people stand on while waiting for the train. If the train station is that close to a bend in the track that you're not sure you have enough time to get to the other side, crossing is still incredibly reckless. (And pushing it as it is, even if you think you do have enough time.)

As for not having a flashlight, it still seems like it'd be immensely reckless to hold the lighter that close to a wood-framed diploma attached to the wall just to get a better look at said diploma.

Neither alternative explanation makes as much sense as suspecting dishonesty from whoever put "safety" and "death" signs up.

edited 22nd Dec '16 11:33:05 AM by neoYTPism

So you keep insisting

Rail platforms tent to have signs, passengers, buildings and more importantly, don't cover BOTH SIDES of the train usually.

So again, don't see how my interpretation is any less valid than your "Doubting the truthfulness" one of the current.

edited 22nd Dec '16 11:37:47 AM by Ghilz

Splitting hairs does not begin to describe your objections to the current image

Well, out of context, there's no way of knowing who she thinks put those signs up. So yeah.

Also, I've seen train stations in Toronto that put the train tracks between the platforms, rather than the other way around. In any case, the Dumb Ways To Die video outright calls them train station platforms.

edited 22nd Dec '16 11:49:41 AM by neoYTPism

Then the context is in the video, not the image. Looking at the picture, all I see is a derpy-looking character walking across the street, oblivious to a bus that's coming up behind him.. I don't see rails, I don't see gates, I don't see signs. I see nothing to make me think it's train tracks. I don't see anything to make me think that he didn't look before he started across, either.

edited 22nd Dec '16 11:55:05 AM by Madrugada

The point of the entry is that it works whether you interpret it as a train or a bus, though.

Also, you could always use the 2-screenshot version from the previous page.

The 2 shot version is worst, since it makes it clear THERE WAS NO BUS when he began crossing. So even if he looked, he'd be in trouble.

edited 22nd Dec '16 11:57:31 AM by Ghilz

No, it doesn't work. There's no reason to think that he's done something dumb. Not in the image itself; maybe in the complete work. And is right — the multiple-frame version is even less clear, since the bus/train/truck/whatever isn't there when he started across.

These suggestions are all weak at best, and wrong or misleading at worst. Wile E Coyote isn't Too Dumb to Live: his plans should work if the laws of physics behaved themselves.

edited 22nd Dec '16 12:22:37 PM by Madrugada

The Frollo one from Hunchback of Notre-Dame in particular is super misleading. For one Frollo had already fallen, he pulled himself back UP to this Gargoyle to stand up, it's not like he decided "Imma gonna jump the railing to stand there for the LOL". Point 2: The same gargoyle has already supported the weight of TWO PEOPLE jumping on it. One of them a burly hunchback. Point 3, the Gargoyle is ALIVE and outright wants to kill him (Or is possessed by Satan, the film's not clear).

Like, yeah, he damaged the gargoyle earlier (How a sword chops stone is another issue entirely) but his options were either "Fall" or "grab gargoyle"

edited 22nd Dec '16 12:32:27 PM by Ghilz

I meant "he should have immediately got back onto the balcony, rather than swinging his sword from atop the gargoyle." My apologies if that wasn't clear.

That depends on the particular Wile E Coyote plan. Some of them fail when the laws of physics fail, granted, but the ones I mentioned seem to obey the laws of physics. (With the possible exception of the "arrow nose" one, which treats the vertical component of acceleration as negligible; but his plan didn't fail because of that, it failed because he missed his target.)

In any case, I'll keep looking.

EDIT: While we're at it, should this also be the thread for discussing whether or not the subpage images are fitting to their respective subpages?

edited 22nd Dec '16 12:47:34 PM by neoYTPism

I have to agree. TooDumbToLive.Web Original has a REALLY blurry image, on top of being JAFAAC.

Yeah, that's one that even I would agree doesn't fit its subpage.

Anyway, as for the main page, I've also since come up with this from Golden Axe...

I presume an example using multiple screenshots could be filed under "flaw, but not a disqualifier?"

I am not even sure what I am looking at .

Eitherway, I'd avoid listing videogame AI behaviors here because often that's coded for gameplay reasons (Enemy sprites don't need to have a self-preservation instinct), for the player's fun (Enemies that won't attack you coz they are afraid don't make for much a game) and because a programmer can't program a response to everything an AI can encounter. Other times when the AI should know better, it's covered by Artificial Stupidity which is its own trope.

Video Game examples should be an example from a game's plot IMHO.

edited 22nd Dec '16 6:50:56 PM by Ghilz

Fair enough, then. How's this?

edited 23rd Dec '16 9:49:23 AM by neoYTPism

Way too blurry for my liking, plus I have no idea what's going on there (same flaw with 43 and 45).

Protip: If it takes 3 or 4 shots to get a trope across, it's usually too elaborate to make for an effective illustration.

edited 25th Dec '16 12:22:45 AM by rodneyAnonymous