Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

For Bane's story to be less depressing (by this arbitrary metric) than Rose's, they would have to change almost everything about it and make him an unrecognizable character. He begins his life as a toiling miner oppressed by corporations and governments, murders his abusive father in his sleep, becomes a footsoldier for a despotic empire, then joins up with the Sith Academy and learns about how anything remotely resembling compassion is a despicable weakness. I mean, this is the book that involves him murdering children and making their father watch so that he can feed on their anguish. A lighthearted space opera, this ain't.

Yeah, they could go in a new direction with it. It would be even easier to go in a new direction with Rose, since unlike Bane her story has never been told in its entirety and she's not a fascistic monster.

So it is deeply weird to argue that, based on what we know of the characters, a Rose story would somehow be more depressing than a Bane story. I'm kind of getting the sense that your definition of "depressing" here is actually just "not a power fantasy?"

For all we know, by the end of Episode 9 Rose might be a Jedi.

I don’t want to lay into Rose any more (dead horse of an argument and it’s making some people uncomfortable) but there’s a certain appeal to people who gain power and use it for the wrong reasons even if they had good intentions, hence the comparison of Bane to Better Call Saul.

You would need to either have Bane be an outside force or if he is the POC character show how he turns into such a monster. There’s a good story there to be told about that.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 20th 2019 at 1:31:53 PM

Bane never had good intentions.

He was always in it for himself & even when it wasn't it was for the glory of the Sith way of life.

He is a monster in nearly every sense of the word.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 20th 2019 at 10:33:22 AM

Is this all in the new canon or just Legends? Honestly curious.

That's how its always been, from the beginning of the character's very creation.

Bane didn't exactly have good intentions when he murdered the aforementioned children just to make their father suffer. He did that for himself and for literally nothing else, just like he did everything.

I do actually agree that watching someone abuse their power for the sake of misguided principles can be a compelling story. But you know what it would also be? A pretty dark and thematically mature story about the corruption within human hearts. In other words, a depressing story.

Ironically when Bane found out he killed his father, the knowledge despaired him so much he lost access to his Force powers for a while.

He actually regreted it for a short time before striving to get it all back.

That’s good stuff to go with for a story! It’s heavy, mature, but it’s compelling in the way the best stories are, even stories with ultimately tragic endings.

He also nearly got himself killed by his own hubris when he knew he was being poisoned, but hadn't realized that there was a second more lethal poison mixed in with the recognizable poison.

Bane is basically how Luke Skywalker would have turned out if Uncle Owen was an asshole.

Anyways, Bane actually did have some redeeming qualities back when he was just an army grunt. He seemed to legitimately care for the men and women under his command even disobeying orders that would’ve completely wiped out his squad. Though yeah by the end of the first book any semblance of te person he was is completely gone

Darth Bane is the Lawful Evil to Darth Sidious' Neutral Evil

So basically what happened with Darth Vader.

A Rose Tico show. Haha. Okay, Disney, okay.

The new season of Clone Wars and the Mandalorian are the only things that really interest me so far.

Edited by MadSkillz on Feb 21st 2019 at 2:57:24 AM

...Eh. It could be good.

I mean, everyone who's watched the Clone Wars series said it improved Jar Jar massive.

I'm gonna wait to see how it goes.

It's weird though. Outside of the usual right wing no POC, No women bull, I didn't think Rose was popular enough to get her own show...though I still like her stunning Finn.

One of the great things about Star Wars is that you are often hearing about great adventures only in passing, which excites the imagination. However you might have felt about Solo, the idea of a smuggler working with a gangster could easily be a movie all by itself.

The issue with a Rose movie is that we know so little about her and what we do know is not that provocative. She's a mechanic and apparently grew up in a tough environment (it's never actually specified what or where). The most interesting thing about her is something that happened in the movie itself, her sister just died, but even that hardly informs a rich backstory.

It's really an issue with all the new characters, they have an easy character label but very little in the way of having a real backstory. Finn was a janitor/soldier (his freakout in the beginning of TFA was apparently his first deployment), Rey was a desert scavenger (who was waiting for her family to get her even though she didn't actually know them), Poe is a Resistance pilot (his literal moniker is greatest resistance pilot, no references are made to previous battles or why he joined).

In contrast, Obi-Wan was a Last of His Kind Jedi Knight who fought as a war general, Han was a smuggler in debt to a gangster, Leia had just helped steal the Death Star plans, and even Luke talked about spending time with friends and trying to get into the academy.

A lot of that involved Lucas acknowledging Jar Jar wasn’t well liked in universe though, and letting that annoyance shine through. It’s pretty much a running gag no one wants to deal with him and he kinda gets it near the end.

There was a lot of weird stuff Clone Wars did that worked because they leaned into fan reactions and older material. Like the C 3 PO and R 2 D 2 episodes that end up turning into an episode of the old “Droids” cartoon.

I think that’s why these rumors came out, not because they’re guaranteed, but to gauge reactions. And everyone seems down for a Darth Bane series (Better Call Bane?) but the Rose series...not so much.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 21st 2019 at 5:44:05 AM

Whatever happened to Luke's non-Biggs friends?

Oh right. The whole poor and destitute on Naboo and hated everywhere thing.

You gotta admit, it's more original than just killing him. Leaving him to deal with his actions is far crueler (and even got a few haters to feel sorry for him).

And, y'know, the fact that Ahmed Best revealed that he literally attempted suicide over the bullying, much of it racist, he received over the negative reception of the character.

That quieted the haters down too.

I mean they did better with Jar Jar but they didn't attempt to give him his own show.

I don't think Rose is Jar Jar but she's just kinda....not someone that I can see able to carry her own show. Outside the character, the actress just doesn't have the acting chops for it.

I mean you can give the show an amazing supporting cast but then the show would be about how amazing everyone around Rose is. How much buy-in can there possibly be for Rose? I'm sure she has fans but enough to actually push it forward? Eh.

Yeah. That too.

Which you would think would make people STOP attacking actors for their characters, but assholes are plentiful as we all know.

....And yeah, I read my own sentence. I'm sticking with it.

I mean, it really doesn't help that post-ROTJ, Jar Jar ended up as a social pariah, performing for children on the street:

As for Rose, again, the lack of backstory isn't a hindrance — that just means that they can reveal what they want about how and where she grew up. All we know is that she and her sister were close, which is a great starting point.

Question: What's the source of the rumor for a Rose movie? It just seems unlikely to me. Love her or hate her, she's still far from being the most popular character in Star Wars, and Disney knows that.

Also, I have trouble seeing how Rose being the central protagonist of most stories would work. She's the type of character that works best in a supporting roll. Actually, I'd argue that's part of why the arc with her and Finn didn't work that well (Finn is also generally a character that works better as a foil to someone else). At least that's the theory I came up with on the spot just now.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Feb 21st 2019 at 3:57:27 AM

@lalalei2001 I think Luke's circle of friends from Tatooine still live there. I know Camie Marstrap appears in a vision in the extended Last Jedi novelization where she and Luke are married and he never left Tatooine. I think Laze "Fixer" Loneozner is mentioned.

Edited by RussellStar5641 on Feb 21st 2019 at 7:29:21 AM