Raven Wilder
For one thing, they're selling weapons to both the First Order and the Resistance. It's not like they're a First Order aligned world; they're cast as politically neutral opportunists.
Second, only a few days have passed since Starkiller Base destroyed the New Republic, allowing the First Order to swoop into power. Unless the slave children and other abuses of power on Canto Blight are incredibly recent, then they'd have to predate the rise of the First Order, and so occur under the Republic's watch.
Given those facts, the oppressed people on Canto Blight don't necessarily have a personal reason for preferring the Resistance over the First Order, as their lives will likely continue more-or-less the same regardless of which side is in ascendancy.
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
Well what was Finn doing throughout both TFA and TLJ if not allying himself to the Resistance?
When I say he doesn't act like a trained soldier, that means he has this perpetual look of bewilderment and confusion. He doesn't even walk right, he walks like a tourist in awe of big city buildings. When he gets into a fight he is constantly fumbling around like he doesn't know what he is doing. What's the point of making a character an ex-soldier if he is going to be clumsy and succeed entirely on luck? As an example, instead of just grabbing an electrostaff and charging Phasma, have him perform a brief kata maneuver to show he knows how to use that weapon specifically (in fact, Phasma does her own little staff twirl before the fight started, making it seem like Phasma is the trained soldier and Finn is just fighting on blind rage). Or when he grabs a gun he does some hallway clearing while performing some explicit precision shots. Those kind of details can make or break a character.
This is entirely a failure on writing and direction, because Boyega can certainly turn up the energy and charm. However flawed Pacific Rim: Uprising may be he showed ten times more charisma and personality.
In fairness it's stated in TFA that Finn had no live combat experience beyond his very first battle attacking the Jakku village. And in that one it took him about five minutes of pressure to snap. Maybe the discipline training should've stuck better, but it's entirely consistent that he continued having issues keeping his cool in a fight.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 10th 2018 at 11:07:28 AM
Brightness
It’s worth noting that even before the Empire there was slavery in the galaxy. The Republic May have been the largest government, but it was not the only one, and it did not have the power to entirely destroy the slave industry. TCW has an entire arc about it; only after Zygerria (sp?) joined with the CIS could the Republic send in the military to shut down the slave empire, and even then it only shut down that brand of slavery.
Also Anakin’s entire life prior to TPM. “Republic credits will do fine.” “No, they won’t.”
Setting aside that the NR wasn’t anywhere near as powerful as the old one, unless the visual dictionary or something says otherwise, we don’t have any evidence that Canto Blight even belonged to it in the first place. And even if it were and the NR were looking the other way, the Resistance is neither the NR, nor is it the genocidal fascists who absolutely would let slavery keep going.
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Cantino Bight was a casino resort, the war profiteers were guests not the residents. Which is another thread in the ball of “none of this adds up” yarn that is TLJ.
Please.
It really doesn't matter how it's justified, that's why the character is a wasted opportunity. If he is supposed to be suffering severe PTSD, then they should do something with that too. Instead it is generic "must do this" plotting and fist pumping heroics. It's like taking away Han's Only in It for the Money attitude in A New Hope, all you're left with is a bland freighter captain who happily helps out when asked.
Also, the conflict between the Resistance and the First Order isn't only a few days old, that's silly. It's only come out in the open since Starkiller Base, but it's been going on in secret for years.
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I'd like to speak to them. I assume none of them died getting you that information?
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all but one unfortunately
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Honestly when I say that the ST REALLY didn't think it's themes/ideas out well, Finn is one of the most egregious examples of this. On paper, he has perhaps the most compelling and interesting story/character arc of any main SW hero to date, and certainly one of them, and they got a really good actor (and lifelong SW fan) to play him.
But WOW have they botched the execution so far and WOW have they been sending lots of problematic messages with how they've handled his character. It's almost astonishing that no one looked at this, realized the issue, and went to either Rian or KK and said "umm, this is kind of iffy, maybe we should not do this?"
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Well I would thought that it would be so momentously stupid to assume the rich people enjoying the decanadance at an obvious Monte Carlo Casino parallel would also be the builders and residents, rather than just guests. So when you insisted that they were I looked it up and now am lefting wondering why you think that.
Please.
I don't think it's terribly stupid to assume that those rich people have greater ties to the casino than simply being guests. And the casino uses child slave labor, even if those specific rich assholes weren't running it, they are clearly the same type of people who do. They're the same brand of unscrupulous, greedy scum.
Edited by TommyFresh on Oct 11th 2018 at 9:53:55 AM
Lover of masks.
Ah, I see the talkpast. I am using builders in the sense of developed or founded because you said "who live there" in reference to the war profiteers. Regardless, the information is from the visual dictionary in which it refers to Canto as being a destination hot spot.
Edited by TheDeadMansLife on Oct 11th 2018 at 12:17:18 PM
Please.
Obviously, it's a gambling city, so it has a lot of rich tourists, but that just means that it's easier for the slaves there to have heard about the Resistance and heard about their fight against the First Order. They don't have to be "Well, what as the Republic done for us, lately?" in order to feel like the Resistance are better people than their own slave-masters.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 11th 2018 at 12:52:20 PM
To be honest, the concept behind Canto Bight is really, really cool and the setting still has some intriguing possibilities.
I think the problem is that, ultimately, it was only an interesting idea, and was never all that important to the main thrust of the narrative. Dagobah, Endor, Hoth, Coruscant, Kamino, and even Jakku all ultimately have some real importance to the A-plot and get some serious development and lore building. Canto Bight, on the other hand, is really just the subplot to the C-plot, to the B-plot. The only attempt at fleshing it out is a generalized accusation that everyone present is an arms dealer/evil person, and not, say, a celebrity, blue blood, bachelor party, real estate magnate, or tech genius, etc.
The only substantial thing that Canto Bight brings to the story is DJ thanks to illegal parking (which feels like a Spaceballs joke more than anything). It's not used to describe the post-SKB and Hosnian Prime state of the Galaxy, it doesn't display any new cultural ideas, it's not even designed all that interestingly. And that's really sad, since ideally, "Space Casino Planet" feels like it really, *really* should have some significance and major world building.
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21st century tuxes and recognizable "preppy" clothes though
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
I think the problem is that, ultimately, it was only an interesting idea, and was never all that important to the main thrust of the narrative. Dagobah, Endor, Hoth, Coruscant, Kamino, and even Jakku all ultimately have some real importance to the A-plot.
That’s fair. Maybe it needed to be closer to the characters’ objectives the way Cloud City was.
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I liked Canto Bight but I do have one criticism of the film related to that storyline: I really, really can't tell what the writers were doing with DJ. His philosophy of "All sides of every conflict are equally bad so be loyal to nothing but your pocketbook" is an awful message and one you'd expect an idealistic franchise like SW to totally shoot down...
...but then he wins. His following of that philosophy nets him probably the most complete victory of anyone in the cast, good or evil, and he skips town with gazillions in First Order blood money laughing all the way. So was the movie on his side, or...?
Edited by HamburgerTime on Oct 11th 2018 at 5:48:49 AM
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He'll be back. Karmic comeuppance doesn't have to come immediately, especially in a series as fixated on the "act two dark turn" as this one.
I fully expect him to end up like this:
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 11th 2018 at 3:54:27 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
It's the epitome of Concepts Are Cheap. Canto Bight is an idea that goes nowhere and does nothing, is not an actual subplot itself and thus has no resolution or offer any sort of solution. It would be like the time at Bespin having a few lines related to the miners unionizing, it doesn't really add anything to the plot. But considering that Bespin is taken over by the Empire it could be justified as fleshing out the society a little before bad things happen.
I said before, while it's said that the people there are bad the heroes bring trouble on themselves by parking illegally, something that could happen on just about any civilized planet. It would have been far better if they were arrested for trying to sneak in or not following the dress code. Hell, have them step in when they see one of the slaves being beaten up would also be better.
DJ is a deconstruction of the Han Solo archetype — the smuggler with a heart of gold, but actually he doesn't have a heart of gold and is in it only for the money.
Under the Empire before then. It's a handy way of demonstrating how fighting totalitarianism shouldn't solely focus on deposing the leaders, as a new tyranny can rise again if the systems that fueled the first one remain in place.