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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#1851: Mar 9th 2020 at 7:29:28 PM

That might have been the reason China recently banned AO3, by the way. Seems like there was a popular queer fanfic involving a popular web series actor that outraged parts of his fanbase, causing them to mass-report the site to the authorities.

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#1852: Mar 9th 2020 at 7:35:07 PM

Banning fanfics to get rid of yaoi. Xi really IS the weird guerrillero wannabe dad

Edited by KazuyaProta on Mar 9th 2020 at 9:35:23 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1853: Mar 9th 2020 at 7:37:24 PM

[up][up]The article itself notes that the fan backlash thing might just be a rumor.

But although the rumors wreaked havoc within The Untamed’s fandom (amid simultaneous attempts to halt the spread of misinformation) it seems very likely that the timing was purely coincidental. It’s more likely that AO 3 became a target of China’s ongoing attempts to suppress queer and explicit media content, as a part of its larger dedicated pattern of internet censorship.

Basically, this may have been all on the CCP.

Edited by M84 on Mar 9th 2020 at 10:40:29 PM

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#1854: Mar 9th 2020 at 7:46:02 PM

Knowing them, who wants to be they are doing them because some daughters of party leaders got addicted to reading yaoi fics?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#1855: Mar 9th 2020 at 7:47:26 PM

That or their sons got into it.

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#1856: Mar 9th 2020 at 7:50:25 PM

It's far more likely that they banned AO 3 because of its utility in getting around government censorship. AO 3 enshrined its "nothing is off limits" policy after the events of the Livejournal Strikethrough 2007 to protect authors in the face of Moral Guardians, overzealous IP holders, and nowadays bad-faith ship/fandom warriors, but it was also a place for which Chinese authors could be unfettered in expressing things that the government considers taboo. Such as frank depictions of homosexuality and non-traditional female agency, obviously, but also political criticisms and the like.

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#1857: Mar 9th 2020 at 7:51:42 PM

[up]Well, yeah. But it's more fun to imagine the ban was due to something far more petty.

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#1858: Mar 9th 2020 at 7:52:31 PM

(Heavy Joking Mode and Sarcasm Mode here)

Banning yaoi. What a Man, Xi Jimping, un capo

[up] Knowing them, probably both, with the petty thing being the last straw

Edited by KazuyaProta on Mar 9th 2020 at 9:53:04 AM

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#1859: Mar 10th 2020 at 7:47:07 AM

Not for nothing does China have one of the largest yaoi fandoms in the world.

Considering the size of their population I imagine they have the largest of most things.

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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#1861: Mar 10th 2020 at 8:01:28 AM

As a useful point of comparison, Hubei has a population comparable to that of Italy.

Edited by eagleoftheninth on Mar 10th 2020 at 8:04:37 AM

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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#1862: Mar 17th 2020 at 9:58:16 AM

Okay, um, holy shit. China is kicking out all American reporters from the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal. And yeah, that includes the ones based in HK and Macau as well.

It's ostensibly a retaliatory measure for the US designating Chinese state media outlets as "foreign agents" and limiting the numbef of journalists they can send... which doesn't really compare to China's own record of expelling and detaining international journalists. China had earlier expelled two WSJ journalists over a "racist" headline (which they wouldn't have had anything to do with), but it's possible that they were already on the CCP's crosshairs for their previous reporting and the headline was a convenient excuse.

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#1863: Mar 17th 2020 at 1:49:50 PM

Can't say I'm surprised, if we're going to penalize their media they'll do the same to us. It's regular tit for tat.

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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#1864: Mar 17th 2020 at 4:35:09 PM

Yeahp, it's the journalist quota on state agencies. Not their reporting on the concentration camps or the Wuhan outbreak.

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#1865: Mar 17th 2020 at 5:10:42 PM

Indeed, the most plausible reason is tit-for-tat.

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#1866: Mar 17th 2020 at 6:46:19 PM

I think Eagle was being sarcastic from word choice, though I'll admit without Sarcasm Mode on its a little hard to tell.

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#1867: Mar 17th 2020 at 7:10:14 PM

Seconded, I think that with the CCP's historial the quota was merely the convenient excuse.

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#1868: Mar 18th 2020 at 4:08:22 AM

I mean, the concentration camps have been reported on for a while without China doing this, so idk if that's anything to do with it. And hasn't most of the Wuhan shit kinda died down by now? We're past the peak period at the very least. I think tit for tat is the Occam's Razor explanation here tbh.

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#1869: Mar 18th 2020 at 7:22:09 AM

I think Eagle was being sarcastic from word choice, though I'll admit without Sarcasm Mode on its a little hard to tell.

I suspected they were but as you say without any confirmation it's hard to tell so I just took their post at face value. smile

I mean, the concentration camps have been reported on for a while without China doing this, so idk if that's anything to do with it. And hasn't most of the Wuhan shit kinda died down by now? We're past the peak period at the very least. I think tit for tat is the Occam's Razor explanation here tbh.

Exactly my thoughts, the most logical reason is that they were doing this as a response to the US move to limit their journalists.

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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#1871: Mar 27th 2020 at 6:56:32 AM

Sounds like a reactive move based more on emotional impulse then logic and rationality, unfortunate.

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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#1873: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:29:34 AM

A question about how many children a family was allowed to have in the PRC: whether be it prior to, during, and/or after the One-Child Policy, were families allowed to have children again if they lost a child?

Edited by HallowHawk on Apr 2nd 2020 at 2:35:29 AM

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#1874: Apr 6th 2020 at 2:31:11 AM

I believe so, I think you could also simply pay a tax/fine if you wanted to have more children. For most of the country however that wasn’t an option, thus the demographic crisis.

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#1875: Apr 6th 2020 at 8:28:05 AM

The one-child policy is definitely a perfect example of what not to do, if you want to fight overpopulation then provide easy access to contraceptives and increase the position of women in society. Mandating a limited number of children is just a superficially attractive heavy-handed nonsense.

What's particularly ironic is that the problem only existed in the first place because of CCP policy under Mao][1.

[1]= The article is interesting but if y'all want to jump to the relevant bit go to "Mao's Pro-natalist policies" on pg 14.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Apr 6th 2020 at 8:40:59 AM

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