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When people say "everyone", it is usually not literal, but a hyperbole.

That's true. Dewey had nothing to do with Magica and Louie had nothing to do with the moon-people (apart from his mistake of shutting down the satellites, which was not essential to the plot). Their formula, rather, seems to be that the protagonist's conflict gets resolved in the penultimate episode, right before an external villain related to a secondary character (Lena, Della) strikes.

Edited by Snicka on Oct 21st 2019 at 8:02:01 PM

I'm aware. Personally, I think if someone has to resort to hyperbole, the point being made very likely isn't very strong.

Hyperboles don't exist on the internet, everyone who disagrees with them is the Literal-Minded.

Or this, usually.

Edited by randomness4 on Oct 21st 2019 at 11:02:31 AM

That's some fine Hypocritical Humor there. ;)

Everyone as in "anyone"...

I wasn't using exaggeration.

It's not that, it's the "does not exist" part that was a hyperbole. ;)

You're right though, because of the lack of intonation and other aspects of non-verbal communication, one has to be more literal online than when speaking.

Edited by Snicka on Oct 21st 2019 at 8:36:02 PM

There does seem to be a trend for writers of some shows to subvert expectations and have ratings-bumping plot twists. This in itself is not bad, but what happens increasingly often these days is that fans on the internet manage to guess these plot twists beforehand and talk about them before that particular episode airs. Some writers then feel the need to subvert expectations of the predicted plot twist for the sake of having a plot twist that no one saw coming.

Game of Thrones did this quite a lot from what I understand, which is part of the reason of why the later seasons didn't go so well. Lindsay Ellis did two videos on it that goes more in depth.

I don't think this show goes that far, but early episodes did seem to have a knack for subverting tropes just for the sake of subverting them.

Game of Thrones problems were more than just subverting expectations, but also the writing, character endings planned from day one but have written characters in a way it no longer fits and so they try to shove a square piece into a triangle shaped hole, the sudden change to modern morality, strong independent women only exist if they throw away everything feminine about themselves and are glad about being raped(Not a joke) while feminine women are EVIL! EVIL!

And these are off the too of my head!

Someone else even goes over they leave critical info to the story out just so they can focus on actors "faces" and show them emoting....something that is no longer perceivable because whoops it was in the script and faces can't tell us detailed explanations on strong, detailed opinions.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 22nd 2019 at 2:53:35 AM

Even if the twist is unexpected, it must fit what came before.

I admit I liked the plot with the Moonlanders despite how almost abruptly they were introduced, since there was an effort to make Lunaris interesting as a character.

I liked Penumbra too, although she does kind of have a somewhat rushed character arc. She just kinda felt like she was in her own story after she and Donald discovered Lunaris's plans.

I'm kinda hoping Season 3 makes up for Penumbra's lack of presence in the narrative. Granted, she and the Moonlanders are likely to head back to the Moon. Or maybe they'll surprise me and they'll actually become integrated into background scenes on Earth. XD

The Ship Tease between Launchpad and Penumbra in "Moonvasion!" may lead to an episode where the two go out on a date and Hilarity Ensues. Or it's just as likely that the whole thing will happen off-screen and we'll only see the aftermath.

Maybe it'll look like an episode where the Triplets go on an adventure, only for the focus to switch to Launchpad as he goes on a date with Penumbra.

The Triplets' adventure is never seen except for the aftereffects of their adventure at the end of the episode.

(Yes, I'm aware I'm asking for what's essentially the reverse of Gander and Fethry's introductions. XD)

So did the twist of Lena being Magica's shadow fit what came before? I don't remember any obvious foreshadowing, it seemed to come out of nowhere after previous episodes seemed to go into an entirely different direction (namely, Lena being Magica's abused niece).

I honestly assumed neice was just an honorary term as poe was nowhere to be seen. And wasn't the shadow thing the reason she could possess Lena?

The earliest episodes of the show were likely written before they finalized what they were going to do, and there's a bit more of Lena seeming to really be her niece, but the Lena episodes towards the middle definitely keep her status more ambiguous and flow better into the twist.

The earliest episodes seemed to suggest that Magica had either possessed Lena, or was communicating to her through that amulet.

They probably intended for her to be 'dead' all along but it didn't make past the censors

Yeah, I'm pretty sure having an explicitly dead child as a major character would've given this show the ax. The fact Lena's debut was in an episode called The Beagle Boy Massacre adds to this.

Actually they wouldn't have got the axe as long as they never showed her corpse,a tombstone would have been fine,and state that her death was a long long time ago

I'm still not sure what that massacre was supposed to refer to. Or why Lena was so intent on being at that Beagle birthday party to begin with. It doesn't really seem to fit well with the later plot.

x3 To be more specific, it's titled "The Beagle Birthday Massacre." I suppose the "massacre" in this case means "completely wreck the birthday party."

Could it be a reference to The Warriors in some way?

Yes, the title was a reference to The Warriors.

To be frank, having Poe as Lena's biological father would've helped make the De Spell family more of a proper foil to the McDucks.

With Lena as an actual De Spell child who was taken under her abusive aunt's wing after her father was killed/went missing (either at the hands of a McDuck, if you want to give the villains some sympathetic depth, or at the hands of Magica, if you want some major dramatic irony), it would've made Magica a dark (female) counterpart to Donald and Scrooge, both of whom were parental figures to their respective nephews (and in Scrooge's case, a niece as well) after the parents of said children died, or in Della's case, went missing. Heck, to a lesser extent, Magica could've also been a counterpart to Beakley too, in that regard.

Plus, if Poe were Lena's father, and he was trying to lovingly raise her up as a good child, in opposition to her aunt, it actually validates Magica's claim of "family is good for nothing" (I think I got the wording wrong, but the sentiment is there) rather than her statement coming out of nowhere since the actual version has no other onscreen blood relatives to refer to.

Edited by BrightLight on Oct 23rd 2019 at 12:23:25 AM

I agree, that would have made for a very interesting story arc. But the writers seem to have come across that living shadow plot from the old show, and found that one much more interesting than what they seemed to be leaning towards at first.

I'm sure they didn't include Poe since they didn't want Magica to have any sidekicks besides Lena.