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Deadlock Clock: Feb 25th 2015 at 11:59:00 PM
SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#51: Feb 23rd 2015 at 10:21:37 AM

Oh, balls. Well. Do we need to do a crowner for this? Has anyone seen a title they're particularly fond of?

DAN004 Chair Man from The 0th Dimension Since: Aug, 2010
Chair Man
#52: Feb 23rd 2015 at 3:04:15 PM

Whatever the title might be, make it related to Lampshade Hanging, Expo Sition and Calling Your Attacks.

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#53: Feb 23rd 2015 at 3:12:02 PM

[up] All valid. But would like to have a consensus on whether it should be renamed and/or what the title should be.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#54: Feb 26th 2015 at 9:22:58 AM

I feel like it should be something like "in-character narration" because that's essentially what it is. The character is narrating what they're doing (or not doing) so that the player can understand the precise situation they're in. I guess the problem with that exact name is that it invokes the proper use of narration, where the character is speaking in the past tense.

Present Tense In Character Narration is a mouthful though.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#55: Feb 26th 2015 at 9:27:58 AM

Well I put my name ideas on the last page, no real support. This trope is a thing and needs a rename though.

/sigh

Crowner them all up?

SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#56: Feb 26th 2015 at 9:33:40 AM

Yeah. Let me do it, I need to learn how to do a crowner eventually. :p

SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#57: Feb 26th 2015 at 9:43:08 AM

Double posting to make sure people get the update: Crowner is here. I included every proposed title that wasn't immediately followed by "But I'm not serious and that's a shitty title". Hollering as soon as I click "send" on this post. I've cast my vote in favor of "As I Know" and also downvoted the ones I don't care for. I'm on the fence about Internal Small Talk and Inane Observation Inner Monologue so I'm refraining from voting on them.

Edit: God, I suck. Link fixed.

edited 26th Feb '15 9:52:44 AM by SolipSchism

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#58: Feb 26th 2015 at 12:24:15 PM

Added a "rename or no" crowner first.

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#59: Feb 26th 2015 at 12:26:08 PM

Oh, I thought we had pretty much decided that already. My bad. Voted.

edited 26th Feb '15 12:26:56 PM by SolipSchism

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#60: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:20:44 AM

8-0 landslide and we are two days passed the clock expiration date... Call it quickly or wait?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#61: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:23:06 AM

Wait, because only 8 people is very little.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#62: Mar 28th 2015 at 4:03:01 AM

Called crowner in favour of rename, attached an alt names crowner. I've removed the top option because line of dialogue titles are forbidden.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#63: Mar 28th 2015 at 4:06:27 AM

Wow, all in the negative.

SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#64: Mar 29th 2015 at 10:58:10 PM

Oof. If I may ask, exactly which ones got removed?

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#65: Mar 29th 2015 at 11:00:34 PM

If you click the little book icon you can see the edit history of that option.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#66: Mar 29th 2015 at 11:29:17 PM

All these that aren't redlinks, basically.

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#67: Mar 30th 2015 at 8:18:55 AM

Oh, I didn't realize you could view the history on a crowner.

Well, what exactly constitutes a "line of dialogue title"? I know they're verboten, and why, and I agree with the reasoning behind it, but I'm not sure those titles really qualify. My understanding is that line of dialogue titles have too much potential to be misused as Stock Phrases.

A few have noted (not just citing myself here; I've seen a few tropers and I think a mod or two) that the No New Stock Phrases rule tends to get misapplied as No Titles That Are Sentences Or Phrases, which, logically, pretty much speaks for itself.

I don't see As I Know or I Know About Times Hits being misused that way. I Know About Timed Hits is a Snowclone of the esoterically-named He Knows About Timed Hits, and as such, I'm reasonably sure it has never been spoken by any character ever—which would make it pretty difficult to misuse as a stock phrase. As I Know would be unlikely for related reasons; the phrasing is awkward and unusual enough that I don't think I've ever seen it spoken by a character.

Not that I'm hugely in favor of I Know About Timed Hits, being such an esoteric reference and pretty nonindicative to boot. But As I Know has the same ratio as the current frontrunner (albeit with fewer votes overall), and I think it should at least be a contender.

...And also, full disclosure, I feel pretty strongly that Informing the Fourth Wall is a vague and unhelpful title.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#68: Mar 30th 2015 at 8:21:22 AM

There are reasons other than misuse for the existence of the "line of dialogue" title ban. Namely, a tendency for titles with such a grammar structure to be underused.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#69: Mar 30th 2015 at 8:22:56 AM

I hadn't heard that before, actually. Makes sense. And everything is, after all, Worse With Snowclones.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#70: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:09:41 PM

And when they aren't underused, they get shoehorned into citing every time the phrase comes up ever, even if it's irrelevant to the trope.

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#71: Apr 1st 2015 at 8:59:41 AM

[up] To be fair, I did already explain why I don't think that particular concern is relevant here.

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#72: Sep 18th 2015 at 8:55:49 PM

Bringing this back up. The crowner seems to have been going on for quite a while at this point. Disregarding the removed entries, one title's in the green. Call it?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#73: Sep 25th 2015 at 7:48:59 AM

18-10 is somewhat below consensus range, though.

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#74: Nov 18th 2015 at 6:14:22 PM

[up] How many more votes?

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26th Feb '15 12:23:40 PM

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