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Might want to drop the entitled tone too if I were you.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Im very sorry. I tried to make this tone work for comedic reasons and may have failed. This underlines very well what I wanted to be the true message of that post: That I am humble human, watching kids movies and then turning to this site to see what I can think about them and that I may not be the best person to put text into your articles.
I think I have a valid point on the trope though and would otherwise be interested why I do not.
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Well, ideas for new tropes go to YKTTW where you draft an article. Other pu thier insight on it and if it goes well, a new trope emerges there. I'm not sure whether it's a good idea for newbie tropers to sponsor a new trope. It can be hard work. But go for it if you think you have a convincing argument why it should stand separately from A Boy and His X or why it should be its Sub-Trope.
Yeah I have those same reservations about me as a newbie editing or creating articles.
Also I probably wouldnt have created a new trope, but edited the existing one because the way I see it most examples there actually have 2-3 of my 3 addendums working for them (X is: powerful, emotionally simple, externally bound). As it stands now its just a boy with anything, which is close to People Sit on Chairs (Im adapting)
edited 22nd Nov '14 1:51:45 PM by leo235
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Nonono. You don't just change an existing page to something else.
A Boy and His X is what's called a supertrope; a very broad trope that intentionally covers a lot of territory. Superpowered Companion Animals would be a subtrope of that; a more specific version that has been used often enough that it is a distinct trope in its own right.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Again Im sorry if I sound demanding or something, thats not my intention.
Ultimately I might at some point edit the trope or propose a subtrope, but I absolutely realize that wouldnt make sense for me (for everybody) now. I made this thread to see if there wasnt another trope that fit (Im aware of the search function but one of us flawed), or, if there wasnt, to maybe coax one of you into making it.
The trope you linked doesnt exist though and this when it sounded like it had the "powerful" part and animals do have emotional simplicity...
The picture of the trope is from pokemon and being powerful, pika-pika-simple and maybe even having been caught (I long for feedback on the externally bound thing) are core parts of pokemon to me that justify a subtrope if it doesnt exist.
edited 23rd Nov '14 6:02:47 AM by leo235
A Boy and His X is one of those tropes you can consider to be a "pitch template," where a writer is trying to sell their story and tells the executives their story can be boiled down to a concept with unique parameters (solve for x). Thus being loosely defined and flexible is an important part of the trope.
Most tropes with a standalone X in the title are in the same boat. "Die Hard" on an X is another.
edited 22nd Nov '14 4:27:07 PM by KJMackley
But what happened then? Did "Superpowered Companion Animal" exist at some point but get scratched? And then would you even agree that pokemon/digimon/httyd deserves a subtrope similar to what I described?
edited 23rd Nov '14 6:29:52 AM by leo235
No, it was never made presumably because A Boy And Its X already covered these instances.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Hmmm I dont think it does though. Not any more than it coveres any other case, where a boy has a companion.
I cant build waterproof cases against ALL of the examples being powerful, because people might see animals as not especially powerful (even though flipper OWNS in the sea and Lassie has supersmell), but 90% of them are demons, giant robots or magic. NONE of the anime/manga examples have a weak X.
A few more of them are not externally bound but thats still very common.
The emotionally simple part fits most of them, though demons and robots are kinda hard to pin on that.
How to train your dragon deserves a trophy-trope but since I know people will not see that Ill say, that Pokemon and co. deserve a trope that is specific enough not to be confused with Lassie or "a boy and his parents"
edit: additional research revealed that Bond Creatures and The Kid with the Remote Control are pretty close. Im bothered with the "bond" there, because thats not in pokemon or httyd, but thats just so subjective and you probably dont even want tropes that are close to show-concepts. Maybe my cause is lost.
edited 23rd Nov '14 5:22:23 PM by leo235
There are going to be a lot of tropes you feel should be broader, more restrictive, better defined, less defined, better understood by editors, Missing Supertrope Syndrome, etc.
The wiki is a community and while we have moderators acting on the best interest of the wiki at large, the community is not going to agree with you on everything you think should be done. If you feel a particular trope is not good enough as is, you can suggest new tropes via ykttw or repairing existing tropes through the Trope Repair Shop forum. But be selective, be intelligent and act rational with everything you do. Consider whether it's a problem for the wiki or individual trope, it's not about a personal crusade to make things the way you want it to be.
Personally I think A Boy and His X can use a repair shop thread. The examples are nothing but "A Y and his X." The laconic says "A youth and their Plot Device," but none of them seem to say anything about how the X is a plot device. Also I would be interested in this super-powered companion YKTTW.
I will give my best to deliver that superpoweredyetsimpleandbound companion trope sometime, but after much reading.
For A Boy and His X I would think it needs to tie the related tropes together more.
"A Heartwarming Sotry thoughout the ages: An X which is often a,b,c or d joins a young mans life. He often is x,y or z and this turns his whole life into k or l unless m occurs"
It has a bit of that, but the article should at the very least give me every trope I need to build pokemon. Tell me if A boy and his X is not the pokemon trope. Its the pokemon trope right? If its not, then others would need to put some thought into it, but most of the examples go in that direction. Just started to listen to the underworld chronicles from the literature examples and its HTTYD for people who like letters.
edited 24th Nov '14 4:26:38 PM by leo235
No, it's the Lassie trope. It's just that simple. It's not about pets in general, but a story about a boy and his X. Just having a Pokemon is not this trope.
edited 24th Nov '14 4:36:41 PM by KJMackley
I didnt want to reduce it to pokemon. Its just the most relevant example and I think the difference between Lassie and Pokemon is probably only the two nukes anyways.(meaning its a juiced up version)
But I get that it should be story focused and the concept of a pokemon itself would be a subtrope if even. Sorry I talk bad.
Still the article could use more related tropes tied together in a more coherent text right? If its intended to be broad it needs to give a better picture of how broad and what actually links the examples
edited 24th Nov '14 5:24:06 PM by leo235
Looks fine to me for a supertrope. It doesn't have to be any more restrictive or complicated then this to be a trope.
If you feel the description should be cleaned up, you can go ahead and do so. Don't redefine the trope, if you feel strong enough about the superpowered pet subtrope you can propose it in ykttw.
Chair Man
Technically "superpowered pet" would be Mon.
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Lost in Space
Datestamps, people. Read them.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
edit: A lot of the following posts are about my trope-education. Reading it might not be your interest. Please post ideas on the trope if you have them though.
This is a great site. It practically convinced me that film and literature students should be ignored in the cleansing.
Recently I have watched "how to train your dragon" though and in my intensified emotional state I needed to read witty and insightful things about what had just happened and wanted to gain an understanding of what that thing in me was that made me love digimon as a child and now this.
The article of A Boy and His X however is a travesty! Seeing the cluster of digimon, pokemon and such alone, there is clearly a trope there that is more complex than simply companionship.
The real divider between this and Canine Companion is that its a juiced up version. The "dog" here is usually extremely powerful and its emotionally simple in that its only capable of love or protection or doesnt have bad feelings. Also while they form a strong bond, the X is also often bound by the boy or tied to him in some way that sort of makes the emotional bond redundant (or itself if you wanna focus on the emotional bond)
There is stuff missing in myself I needed to find it in that article. So by extension there is something missing in that article and if you people dont fix it I will. Im not a part of this site though and I cant promise to meet its otherwise high standarts. For example I dont know how to link trope names. If you tell me Ill even fix this post up a bit. A bit.
edited 24th Nov '14 8:29:12 PM by leo235