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gropcbf from France
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:06:26 PM

Churches burn, we will rebuild it no matter how long it takes. The only thing I worry about is that they might build a mall or something instead.

AzurePaladin The Blue Knight from The Feywild Relationship Status: Mu
The Blue Knight
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:07:10 PM

[up] Some of its irreplaceable, though. I'm pretty sure some of the windows are just flat irreplaceable.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Apr 15th 2019 at 3:09:30 PM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Relationship Status: It's complicated
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:08:16 PM

Anyone who even proposed anything other than a rebuilding effort on the site, let alone a commercial complex, would probably be run out of town.

Saw on Twitter that the fire is still spreading, and has reached one of the towers.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:12:54 PM

Looks like they are slowly getting it under control now.

Euodiachloris Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:21:59 PM

Well, think of the positives. There's now an opportunity to go to town on a full C14th-style theme. The C18th-C19th refits/ building jobs weren't nearly as colourful or as irreverently cheeky as they could have been (and some of it was a structural mess).

Also, a little modern political and liturgical commentary tucked away in crannies wouldn't go amiss.

Think of the craftsmanship that can have some fun while doing something of worth!

Edited by Euodiachloris on Apr 15th 2019 at 8:27:58 PM

Apr 15th 2019 at 12:26:45 PM

A firefighter has started a discussion on twitter, explaining what the challenges during a church fire are…

What he considers the best case scenario is really depressing: https://twitter.com/GreggFavre/status/1117847726786371585

Apr 15th 2019 at 12:34:05 PM

Damn...not unexpected, but the entire wooden interior is burning and will most likely be destroyed. They are currently trying to rescue as much of the artwork as possible.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Relationship Status: It's complicated
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:40:37 PM

Apparently they got most of the relics and artifacts out, at least.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:42:14 PM

Yeah, but there is a lot which can't be moved. Like the statues.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:45:41 PM

Statues however (usually) are less flammable, if they are flammable at all. See that meteorite in the National Museum of Brazil fire as an example.

Rytex That Guy With The Face from Here. Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
That Guy With The Face
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:45:43 PM

"Paris Match journalist Nicolas Delesalle, quoting a priest the cathedral, says that all of the artworks stored there have been saved. The treasures of the cathedral, including the crown of thorns, are intact, he claims."

So that's good news. All of the movable art and artifacts were saved. But still. The bells.

Peditum olfactum est peditum iactum.
Apr 15th 2019 at 12:47:20 PM

And the carvings!!!

Apparently the next hour and a half will be decisive.

Apr 15th 2019 at 1:10:55 PM

Sounds like they are focussing on rescuing the towers now.

Apr 15th 2019 at 1:25:05 PM

May I mention that I really HATE the Catholic Church in the Holy Land? The fire isn't even stopped and they are praying that "it wasn't intentional". Yeah, really helpful, dipshits.

gropcbf from France
Apr 15th 2019 at 1:32:41 PM

[up] Could you elaborate on what is wrong about that? Do you mean they are suggesting it was intentional in a very hypocritical manner? [down] That, too.

Edited by gropcbf on Apr 15th 2019 at 10:36:13 AM

KazuyaProta There once was a man on Peru- from Spongebob's dreams Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
There once was a man on Peru-
Apr 15th 2019 at 1:32:46 PM

[up][up]What they else can do?

Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 15th 2019 at 3:32:55 AM

Watch me destroying my country
Apr 15th 2019 at 1:42:52 PM

[up][up] That they are even suggesting that there is a reason to suspect that it was intentional. Why would you even think that? And if you consider what kind of people are currently talking about it possible being intentional, this is NOT a good message by the church to send out. They are basically covertly adding oil to the fire of conspiracy theories which are already flying around.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 15th 2019 at 1:43:40 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Apr 15th 2019 at 1:52:25 PM

[up][up] The reason why some people are fearing it was an intentional act is because people have tried to damage or destroy Notre Dame before - there was a bombing attempt in 2016, for example.

And considering how an actual attack would be instrumentalised to stir up xenophobia, there a good reasons to hope it was just an accident.

"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying."
Apr 15th 2019 at 2:00:41 PM

[up] The fire started in the construction area and currently the assumption is that something went wrong during the construction. It is just disgusting how many people nevertheless are already using the fire to stroke hatred, and the church shouldn't implicitly support the notion in an official statement.

Like I said: Not helpful. Because this way the whole thing doesn't actually have to be an attack, there will be people believing that it was no matter what the official story is in the end.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 15th 2019 at 2:02:01 AM

KazuyaProta There once was a man on Peru- from Spongebob's dreams Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
There once was a man on Peru-
Apr 15th 2019 at 2:03:03 PM

They're hoping that it was a accident because they don't want anyone to use it to fuel their xenophobia.

Useless? Yeah, but what else can they do. Malicious? Definitely not

Its a fairly inocuous line that people in distress say when important buildings are suddenly destroyed, hope that it wasn't intentional.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 15th 2019 at 4:03:58 AM

Watch me destroying my country
Apr 15th 2019 at 2:09:01 PM

I didn't say it was malicious, I said that it was idiotic and not helpful at all.

Some good news: Looks like they managed to save the bell tower and the main structure of the cathedral.

Kayeka World's biggest wannabe from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
Apr 15th 2019 at 2:12:25 PM

Well, that's good. That means there's something left to restore!

People say I have a problem with authority. I say that authority has a problem with me.
Apr 15th 2019 at 2:14:15 PM

Some bad news: A fire fighter got seriously injured.

[up] Well, I doubt that anything but rebuilding would have been in the cards no matter what would have happened.

SinNanna I'm the man who press that button from Aghartha Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
I'm the man who press that button
Apr 15th 2019 at 2:28:27 PM "...always on the verge of death, yet repeatedly baffling Christendom by continuing to live."

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