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Churches burn, we will rebuild it no matter how long it takes. The only thing I worry about is that they might build a mall or something instead.
Some of its irreplaceable, though. I'm pretty sure some of the windows are just flat irreplaceable.
Edited by AzurePaladin on Apr 15th 2019 at 3:09:30 PM
Anyone who even proposed anything other than a rebuilding effort on the site, let alone a commercial complex, would probably be run out of town.
Saw on Twitter that the fire is still spreading, and has reached one of the towers.
Looks like they are slowly getting it under control now.
Well, think of the positives. There's now an opportunity to go to town on a full C14th-style theme. The C18th-C19th refits/ building jobs weren't nearly as colourful or as irreverently cheeky as they could have been (and some of it was a structural mess).
Also, a little modern political and liturgical commentary tucked away in crannies wouldn't go amiss.
Think of the craftsmanship that can have some fun while doing something of worth!
Edited by Euodiachloris on Apr 15th 2019 at 8:27:58 PM
A firefighter has started a discussion on twitter, explaining what the challenges during a church fire are…
What he considers the best case scenario is really depressing: https://twitter.com/GreggFavre/status/1117847726786371585
Damn...not unexpected, but the entire wooden interior is burning and will most likely be destroyed. They are currently trying to rescue as much of the artwork as possible.
Apparently they got most of the relics and artifacts out, at least.
Yeah, but there is a lot which can't be moved. Like the statues.
Statues however (usually) are less flammable, if they are flammable at all. See that meteorite in the National Museum of Brazil fire as an example.
"Paris Match journalist Nicolas Delesalle, quoting a priest the cathedral, says that all of the artworks stored there have been saved. The treasures of the cathedral, including the crown of thorns, are intact, he claims."
So that's good news. All of the movable art and artifacts were saved. But still. The bells.
And the carvings!!!
Apparently the next hour and a half will be decisive.
Sounds like they are focussing on rescuing the towers now.
May I mention that I really HATE the Catholic Church in the Holy Land? The fire isn't even stopped and they are praying that "it wasn't intentional". Yeah, really helpful, dipshits.
Could you elaborate on what is wrong about that? Do you mean they are suggesting it was intentional in a very hypocritical manner?
Edited by gropcbf on Apr 15th 2019 at 10:36:13 AM
What they else can do?
Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 15th 2019 at 3:32:55 AM
That they are even suggesting that there is a reason to suspect that it was intentional. Why would you even think that? And if you consider what kind of people are currently talking about it possible being intentional, this is NOT a good message by the church to send out. They are basically covertly adding oil to the fire of conspiracy theories which are already flying around.
Edited by Swanpride on Apr 15th 2019 at 1:43:40 AM
I don't disagree.
The reason why some people are fearing it was an intentional act is because people have tried to damage or destroy Notre Dame before - there was a bombing attempt in 2016, for example.
And considering how an actual attack would be instrumentalised to stir up xenophobia, there a good reasons to hope it was just an accident.
The fire started in the construction area and currently the assumption is that something went wrong during the construction. It is just disgusting how many people nevertheless are already using the fire to stroke hatred, and the church shouldn't implicitly support the notion in an official statement.
Like I said: Not helpful. Because this way the whole thing doesn't actually have to be an attack, there will be people believing that it was no matter what the official story is in the end.
Edited by Swanpride on Apr 15th 2019 at 2:02:01 AM
They're hoping that it was a accident because they don't want anyone to use it to fuel their xenophobia.
Useless? Yeah, but what else can they do. Malicious? Definitely not
Its a fairly inocuous line that people in distress say when important buildings are suddenly destroyed, hope that it wasn't intentional.
Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 15th 2019 at 4:03:58 AM
I didn't say it was malicious, I said that it was idiotic and not helpful at all.
Some good news: Looks like they managed to save the bell tower and the main structure of the cathedral.
Well, that's good. That means there's something left to restore!
Some bad news: A fire fighter got seriously injured.
Well, I doubt that anything but rebuilding would have been in the cards no matter what would have happened.
Parisians gathered in the streets to sing Ave Maria while the cathedral burns. Very haunting.
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