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(Aside: It's hard to note when a TRS thread is open if there's only the original post. I simply don't check for the [Add Post] button now.)
I think the problem is that Weird Moon itself covers too many situations. The term itself covers any aberration of lunar behaviour. I've made a new thread
that requests Weird Moon gets "always full" split off into a new trope page.
Artsy Moon seems to be missing a definition. Perhaps this could be defined as "the shape of the moon is not a sphere"?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
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Neither "the moon looks weird" nor "the moon looks artsy" strikes me as being a trope. One the one hand, there might be lots of different reasons for showing something in a weird or artsy style, so it's too broad in that sense. On the other hand, there are lots of things that can be shown in a weird or artsy way (for whatever reason), so in that sense, it's too narrow. It's basically an arbitrary combination of unusual+moon.
Overall, Weird Moon comes a little closer to justifying its existence than Artsy Moon, though.
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While Artsy Moon could be cut, I doubt that's the best way we can handle the problem. Weird Moon is much too broad, but many of the examples have common elements of narrative usage. I agree "artsy" isn't well-defined, but I think defining a Sub-Trope of Weird Moon is a better solution.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Artsy Moon should be a different trope so that we can make a distinction between when the moon is simply portrayed artistically vs. when it's Deface of the Moon. It should probably be defined down so that the moon in question goes on the Artsy Moon page only if it doesn't go on any of the other moon pages.
No, the other one.
Artsy Moon sounds like it would be about the moon being the wrong size or colour, having an unnatural shape (like the round outer edge being more than 180° when it's between half and new), when it's rotated as if it would be daytime when it's night in the plot, or having a face for no good reason.
Those are described on Weird Moon, but as this is a subtrope, they should be moved here.
It's a little more troublesome with full moons lasting too long or appearing at the wrong times. I think if it's a mood-setter that doesn't have a direct influence on the plot (e.g. always a full moon over a spooky mansion), it would go here, but if it's important for some ritual, lycantrophy, or something else, it would be Weird Moon.
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"full moons lasting too long or appearing at the wrong times" << but that's not being "artsy".
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
''"full moons lasting too long or appearing at the wrong times" << but that's not being "artsy".
Me thinks we need some sort of Artistic License Moon Phases (or maybe extend Artistic License - Astronomy ?) to handle anything that isn't Total Eclipse of the Plot in regard to wrong moon phases at the wrong time as there are lots of examples on Weird Moon that consist of "it's the wrong phase for x, y and z reason". There's enough examples to help clear the clutter off that page anyway
Link to the Weird Moon discussion: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1406534770052483400
No, the other one.
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I don't see how the example I had for when it is artsy isn't artsy. If you have a spooky mansion, and decide to draw a full moon above it just because it looks neat, it's artsy.
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No.... that's not "a strong, affected, or pretentious display of being artistic or interested in the arts." 0.o
Do we mean different things when we say "artsy"?
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No, the other one.
Probably, but I don't think level of pretentiousness matters for the trope, nor something we can judge here, since that's about the creator, not the work, or at the very least YMMV.
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I personally don't think that this is a trope different enough from Weird Moon to be a separate trope. So lump this into that trope - that trope may get split in the future but I don't see anything splittable that would justify keeping this page separate.
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I think we should figure out what to do with Weird Moon before we decided with to do with Artsy Moon as Weird Moon is the Super-Trope. I'd say keep this page until that discussion is done as a significant portion of the examples on that page are about moons that don't look like The Moon for whatever reason. This would be a good trope to stick them under.
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This TRS lead to a TRS on Weird Moon which we decided to fix first as it would probably fix this trope as well. The thread's here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1406534770052483400
Merge with Weird Moon.
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Merge.
No, the other one.
Not merge.
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Artsy Moon is either a duplicate trope that begs cutting or a very anemic subtrope suffering from failure to thrive. Its brief description, covering both natural changes or artistic license, reads rather like a laconic of Weird Moon, but in Weird Moon, Artsy Moon attempts to distinguish itself by claiming to be only about "weird moons caused by artistic stylization," something very much covered by Weird Moon as we can see by its page image. Artsy Moon has only six wicks, (only three of which are works) and has as many ZCEs as it does wicks. Its been in existence for four years, and has had no additive edits in two.