Undertale/Deltarune

He dressed up as Kris once.

Kris Undertale Deltarune??

What a long name.

Man, that is the most imposing nonchalant walk I've seen.

He did an intro for his final New Japan Pro Wrestling match with a custom trailer made by Toby a while ago.

Edited by Hashil on Oct 31st 2019 at 9:49:04 AM

Toby announced he was asked to do a song for Pokémon Sword and Shield, and the Pokemon Sword and Shield Secret Club posted a preview of the song, which is a trumpty battle theme.

If Nintendo is going to keep asking Toby for favors, they should just outright hire Toby and give him a mini-studio of his own.

Great and then he start work on Mother 3!

All he's done so far for anyone is compose music. He's kind of busy with his own game development otherwise.

Oh, all of this is part of Toby's master plan to hire Sakurai and part of GameFreak-team for his Deltarune-team to publish the full version of it.

Edited by jouXIII on Feb 1st 2022 at 2:47:38 PM

All acording to the keikaku.

PD: In anime speach, Keikaku means plan

Great and then he start work on Mother 3!

No... Mother 4!

But isn't everyone dead and/or in a world without conflict?

This MAY have already been talked about before but I haven't see it with my casual checking-in on this thread and it's a lot to sift through.

So thinking of things in the future, I was doing a web-walk and learned that Toby Fox as a joke put the Bubsy main theme through the Undertale soundfont to remix it so I wo- No. Not even as a joke.

What actually made me curious was learning that Toby wrote a Fansong for a battle against the Nightmare Knight from Cucumber Quest, in fact, the song uses familiar leitmotifs we've already heard from Deltarune (part of the chase scene with Lancer and a bit of Legend). I have to wonder if we won't see this song re-used/remixed in Deltarune proper, and The Knight made a rough expy of Nightmare Knight.

Edited by NaraNumas on Nov 19th 2019 at 3:47:47 AM

I have an issue with thr undertale YMMV page, under Common Knowledge and Fandom-Specific Plot

"A tremendous amount of fanart exists out there depicting Sans with the ability to fully remember previous game sessions, particularly ones where either his loved ones are killed or the happy ending is stolen away from him, leading to many a great Tear Jerker. Because of this, it comes as a surprise to some to find that he in fact does not have this ability in the same way your character or Flowey does; if anything, he only has the same vague, subconscious memories about them that every main character does and that's it. What sets Sans apart is the fact that he knows the previous timelines exist, and uses this information to make very specific (and uncannily accurate) guesses based on your body language and behavior as to what you've been doing in previous game sessions. Likely due to how specific (and frequently accurate) these guesses are, many people mistakenly got the impression that he actually has Ripple Effect-Proof Memory like Flowey or the player, and it's difficult to discern the fans who genuinely believe it and those who just see it as a compelling "What if?" scenario. It's implied that he might have the ability to save physical objects from timelines that have been lost, judging by the contents of his secret room, but that's less definitive."

"Even though Sans canonically does not remember any previous timelines despite having knowledge of them, the opportunity for drama if he did is just too good for many fans to resist. Many fanworks related to the idea don't even bother to contextualize themselves as an AU or anything, the idea is so ubiquitous. Other artists adhere closer to canon, however, and make stories where he has subtle, subconscious memories of other timelines he's been through, often surfacing in the form of nightmares or phobias. This isn't necessarily canon either, but is much more plausible, considering that the emotional impact of your actions on other characters, such as Papyrus and Undyne, does seem to persist across timelines to some degree."

Both these entries seem to make alot of assumptions. On top of the opposite, assuming what Sans says at face value is absolute proof of something instead of just a joke.

We dont know if Sans can remember the other timelines, or if he's just making really good guesses and "just knows the other timelines exist".

Sans words confirms he knows of the other timelines, the specifics, like to what extent is never clarified. So this claiming that it goes against established canon is just wrong.

It's a distinction without a difference - You can point a several possible situations where Sans acting the way he does if he fully remembers the timeline would be extremely questionnable. Also, nothing points at him actually being able to remember it all, and arguing that nothing tells us he doesn't constitutes appeal to ignorance. It's not outright canon, but the wiggle room around it is much smaller than one would need it to argue he has ripple proof memory.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 2nd 2020 at 2:14:26 PM

Certain things like how he's somehow able to tell how many times you've died from your body language is hard to explain with him not remembering the other timelines. There's arguments to be made both for and agasint the idea he can remember previous timelines. The game Dosent delve

Claiming Appeal to ignorance Dosent work, IMO, with a Charachter who's delibrelty designed to be mysterious.

To rephrase my issue as I might be getting confusing, the game shows that Sans does know of the other timelines to some extent, and never reveals the specifics do to the mystery of Sans Charachter. The above entries makes an explanation on how much Sans remembers and assumes that's Canon.

There's also at least one time where he can be entirely wrong on the money - He can pull his "aw come on, it turned out fine, after all, since you haven't died, right ? ... or are you telling me you actually did ?" thing during the mettaton/core part of the game, even though you may actually never have died up to that point, which lend credence to the idea he's just that good at guessing.

Him being able to tell exactly how many times you died just from your body language is stretching into cartoon logic, true, but undertale isn't a stranger to operating on cartoon logic at times. It's pretty clearly supposed to be meant in a comedic value and not to imply he actually has full memory of the timelines.

I can agree you could reword the entry to not claim it's canon, though, but the rest of the entry stands just fine.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 2nd 2020 at 2:41:08 PM

It’s funny that he’s that good at guessing based on body language when Frisk is like -__- at all times

He can relate, since he smiles 24/7.

Y'know, I could kinda buy that as Fridge Brilliance - when you can't take social cues from facial expressions because you're a skeleton, you become that good at reading body language.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 2nd 2020 at 2:46:32 PM

"Him being able to tell exactly how many times you died just from your body language is stretching into cartoon logic, true, but undertale isn't a stranger to operating on cartoon logic at times. It's pretty clearly supposed to be meant in a comedic value and not to imply he actually has full memory of the timelines"

I'd agree.....if not for the fact that this was the exact boss fight where Sans reveals he knows about the resets, and is where the whole "Anomaly" thing comes from.

Its fine to hold your opinion though.

A rewording could work(I can't edit so I can't do it myself)

With Sans nature and wether or not he's able to Remeber the timelines,its the same as wether or not Charas evil. Theres evidence for both and neither are directly contradicted by the game. And neither should be treated as more or less Canon then the other.

OMG that makes so much sense.

Edited by Kylotrope on Jan 2nd 2020 at 5:52:51 AM

A Moment of Awesome in a video game has to be something that happened in-universe, right? That is, a player achieving some feat of awesomeness doesn't qualify?

In this case I'm thinking of people turning Baba is You into various programming languages.

I think he actually does say something like "I was right" if you haven't died at all. I always interpreted that scene as Frisk making a really annoyed face at the unwitting(?) dismissal of their hardships.

I can't be 100% certain since it's been a while, But i distinctly remember thinking to myself "uh, I was expecting that dialogue to acknowledge the fact I haven't died so far but it's the same as usual." when i reached that bit when replaying the game. Could be wrong, of course.