Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Note when the Seasons started to have Less tie in occurs about the same time as the break between Feige/Perlmutter, the last reference to MCU was Civil War which was the end of Season 3 IIRC and that was the movie that caused the split.

The Showrunners PLANNED on Season 5 being the overall finale as they didn't know if they would get a Season 6, plus ratings were so-so hence the decent wrap up with implied "The Adventures Continue" ...and then they got renewed. Which is why Season 6 is so WIERD as they had to undo the excellent ending and shoehorn in a plot which got even more borked with the 5 year jump that they had no idea about till well after the fact.

I did quite enjoy the pastiche episodes in the final season so I can’t say I’m sad it lasted long enough to do them

I want to ask this because I'm seeing this outpouring of love for Agents of Shield - on Youtube, on CBR, on Screenrant, as "the best Marvel television has to offer." Love I didn't necessarily see for a lot of other lesser-known Marvel live-action properties, or the show itself back in it's first 3 seasons.

What did this show do that the other shows didn't do, or didn't handle as well?

Is it the rotating characters, the story arcs, the big twist in Season 1, the character writing, the threats and conflicts, the character development, all of the above? Are the villains more memorable than most of the other shows? Were the actors just bringing their A game? Anything in particular that pushed it to legendary status?

Edited by FOFD on Aug 21st 2020 at 6:41:59 AM

Compared to Runaways and Cloak & Dagger it’s just more we’ll known, that and it got to end, instead of being cut off abruptly.

Agent Carter did get a huge outpouring of love, enough that it’s characters have appeared in both Endgame and Agents of Shield. Inhumans was a spite project from the start and had so many issues.

Otherwise you’re just looking at the Netflix stuff, which had a number of racism issues, the Punisher is a very political character and draws divisions and bith Jessica Jones and Luke Cage did get huge following, btu they didn’t last as long.

That’s the biggest thing Ao S did, it lasted.

It also reinvented itself mutliple times during it's run. Lot's of shows are to afraid to break any status quo. AOS was forced to do it during season 1 thanks to the winter soldier, and then they ran with it.

Watched the Series Finale.

It was.... good. My feeling was that it just sort of felt like a standard "season finale" episode, with the exception of the last scene with them reuniting via VR which gave it a definite "this is the last episode" vibe.

Speaking of which, that final scene with them, had a very "con panel" vibe. Except with no host and no audience. I would have been happy to see that whole scene last a little bit longer.

I do like that the Season 1 pilot, and Series Finale end the same way: Coulson riding off in Lola. Although I wish we had gotten one last iteration of the line " Don't touch Lola" before the end credits.

Side comment: Was Bill Cobbs' line, "Damn bus broke down!" supposed to be a reference to his role as a bus driver on The Drew Carey Show? Because that's what I immediately thought of...

Edited by Brandon on Aug 22nd 2020 at 1:22:58 AM

Season 7 is now on Netflix in the US.

So I just realized that due to the way that alternate timelines work, this means that the series didn't use a different method of time travel. The way they did it was different, but it's highly likely that the reason they were able to avoid the stable time loop is because they simply created an alternate reality.

The fact we see Flint and that other chick getting ready to literally put the earth back together confirms that.

Of course, this also means that it's highly possible that the last two seasons really do take place in an Alternate Universe created by the prevention of the destruction of Earth.

Endgame did not have time travel, but that doesn't mean Ao S didn't have it either.

I honestly don't get the confusion with time travel in Marvel. 2 different methods to do so giving different results is not inconsistent.

Ah good, I can catch the few episodes I missed during the initial run.

Daisy's and Sousa's hookup felt so rushed to me...

I liked season 7, but I can't help feeling the resolution came a bit like an Ass Pull, unless I missed the part where they explained how May's empathy could be transmitted through Kora's powers (which also function as a Swiss-army knife and can also resurrect the dead if needed). Also, I don't quite get how Daisy could stand with her back against an exploding reactor without getting shredded in tiny pieces. But it was cool anyway (and it's too bad I got spoiled about Alya).

Edited by C105 on Nov 1st 2020 at 9:31:07 PM

I feel like the show hit its thematic and orchestral peak here.

Then again this is a powerful scene too:

Then this was just funny as hell:

Edited by FOFD on Dec 8th 2020 at 10:16:12 AM

Who do you think are the best villians?, I will said malick, who always got a sort of gravitas and present around and HYDR Afitz whow as just so damn evil and delightfully so to the point I kinda want him to be hydra mole and not ward.

I'd say, in no particular order, The Doctor (evil Fitz), Season 1&2 Ward, Jiaying, Sinara and Aida.

• Cal (delightfully insane)
• Season 1 and 2 Ward
• Hive and Daisy (solely for the exchange they had when Daisy fought him)
• Graviton
• Malick (yeah, always had that air of composure around him at least until Hive showed up)
• Daisy's mom and Battlestar Shieldlactica
• I want to say AIDA but her creating a fascist virtual reality for no reason, and then gaining superpowers and turning into a woman scorned feel hackneyed and silly
• her creator Doctor Whats His Face is below her because he wasn't that interesting, besides being a Well-Intentioned Extremist - though his LMD coup de'tat was neat
  • I liked AIDA when she was seemingly a rogue LMD invading the base, but I stopped liking her when she became Madam Hydra-whatever
• those Darkhold losers
• science guy from the first season
• most of the Season 1 one-offs
• whoop, forgot about Whitehall

Edited by FOFD on Feb 11th 2021 at 7:27:00 AM

• Ward, of course, as well as Garret and Raina.

• Whitehall was sufficiently creepy, Jiaying was okay, and Cal was insane.

• Hive, Hellfire, Giyera, and Malick solely because he's not his brother.

• I always thought Radcliffe was funny, the Doctor of course, and while Aida did go overboard I thought she was sufficiently terrifying.

• Kasius and Sinara, that bitch Ruby, GraviGoddamnTalbot.

• Sarge and his crew, Malachi.

All in no particular order, safe for Aida and Izel:

Awesome: Aida, Hive, Ward, Gideon Malick, Mr Hyde, Doctor Fitz

Decent: Whitehall, Gonzales (though not really a villain), Jiaying, Graviton, Radcliffe, Hale, Sarge, Sibyl, Garrett

Meh: Eli, Kasius, Taryan, Nathaniel Malick, Izel

Edited by Forenperser on Feb 11th 2021 at 8:33:21 PM

...Im the only one who wanted the doctor fitz and ward being there for whatever reason? I feel they will snyergy very well in a brain and brawn kind of thing, which would probably help ward as villian.

Granted the doctr would just probably make ward his bitch but would be cool nonetheless, a man can dream I guess.

Ward likes it that way

Yeah, not gonna like, ward give big submisive vibes at times, specially his interaction with skye in season 2.

Also I kinda want to see ward and the doctor because it would be a inversion of ward and fitz dynamic in season 1.

Agents of SHIELD was well liked because it was a fun Good vs. Evil story about spies versus Hydra with some goofy X-men Inhumans stuff and an actual evil space god as well as time traveling aliens.

The Netflix series basically started at DC Movie-verse, "Dark and Depressing EDGINESS" and then made it....darker.

Which is not necessarily what you want from your comics.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 14th 2021 at 8:41:14 AM

I mean is not like SHIELD was enterely goofy, is last season were pretty damn brutal.

"The Totally Excellent Adventures of Mack and The D" ?

I mean, it's pretty much I want from my street-level vigilante comics. It did it well, for the most part, and as a part of a larger setting, I liked that it was a thing.

Favourite villains were Ward (not so much Hive), Radcliffe, Cal, and early-season Sarge. Their boo-hiss factor was very high, and the show did a good job of zigzagging how sympathetic Cal and Radcliffe were in any given episode.

It always felt like AOS's villains started strong but kind of fizzled, for me. Not action-wise, but they all kind of lose their personalities before being defeated. They lose depth, so they're not really satisfyingly refuted, in a way. Jiaying, Hive, AIDA, Morrow, Izel, and late-season Sarge, they all start out with interesting personalities motives, but go full-supervillain at the end in a way that always felt at odds with the show being about intrigue and espionage? And that was funny once, with Garrett. But I just found the show went back to that well a little too often, in a way that didn't really feel earned. I might be alone in this, I get how people might prefer their slam-dunk villain defeats. It is a comic book show, after all. But I'm just saying we've seen elsewhere, in the MCU, that it's possible to have your cake and eat it, too.

It was just odd, coming back to this show so much for its characters, and yet rarely feeling that strongly about its villains.

Edited by Unsung on Feb 16th 2021 at 12:28:56 PM

Alright, so I dropped off during season 6 but the show is on UK Disney Plus, so I just watched the last few episodes of 6 and all of 7 in about a week. Overall, I did really enjoy it. The time travel shenanigans and weird genre stuff gave it a nice new approach, it was nice to see more of Sousa, and the finale was a nice send-off to the show. Not perfect, but I'm pretty happy with it.